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RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access
by Subbiah Arunachalam 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Till recently, every commercial publisher of journals took away the copyright for the intellectual content produced by scientists supported often by public funds! Authors were asked to sign a form transferring copyright to the journal publisher! Is that what Sathya means by academic freedom? I thought it was taking undue advantage of scientists who have worked hard to produce some novel findings with the support of funding agencies. It is thanks to movements such as the OA movement authors are now able to retrieve copyright for their creations. Besides, OA advocates are not asking the journals to close down, despite the fact the major publishers earn profits far higher than most average companies in any other business, and the journal subscription prices are rising much faster than the general inflation rate. In fact, Stevan Harnad has written on this issue may be a hundred times. Reverting to copyright, there are many developments in recent years and I wish the LIS community invite experts such as Karim Shankar and Lawrence, both B'lore based, for detailed discussions. Indeed, Sathya could invite one of them to give the Informatics Annual Lecture. Or Dr Prasad of the Ranganathan Centre or the Karnataka Library Association could invite them for a discussion with LIS professionals. About scientists publishing books based on their research: Even now there are books which are merely collections of published articles. These are published by well-known publishers and I presume they do make a profit from such ventures. Most monographs today are based on published research and they are not the same as a collection of papers reporting the research. This situation will continue even in the open access regime. Besides, as Harnad keeps reminding us research papers are willingly given away by authors, whereas books are normally not. Arun -----Original Message----- From: sathya [mailto:sathya@informindia.co.in] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 3:37 PM To: 'Mailing List Manager'; lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access Question-1 Do Chemists world over subscribe to Arun's view that Databases like Chemical Abstracts will become superfluous as OAI initiative matures covering a large part of journal content? Question-2 Saboo bill is a threat to the academic freedom of the scientists which gives them benefit of copyright for their published research works even though money is spent by their respective institutes for doing research (be it federal funding or others)? Are the scientist-authors willing to loose this academic freedom? This issue which is at the heart of freedom of expression, a very fundamental individual rights. If a scientist desires to publish a book out of his research work, will any publisher be willing to pick it up once the Saboo bill is passed as an act? Sathya -------------------------------------------------- N V Sathyanarayana Chairman & Managing Director Informatics (India) Ltd Bangalore 560003, India Phone : 91-80-23365940 www.informindia.co.in -------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Mailing List Manager [mailto:mailman@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:31 PM To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:26:27 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Subbiah Arunachalam" <subbiah_a(a)yahoo.com> Sathya asks how would champions of OA like to deal with secondary services [sucha as Chemical Abstracts]? I have not yet read his editorial and I will wait till the print version arrives, but in the meantime let me do a bit of loud thinking. The main purpose of OA in general is to make primary research findings available free to anyone who cares to read them. Especially final versions of refereed papers. This goal can be achieved two ways: OAP and OAA. There are now more than a thousand OAP journals. Many of them charge a fee upfront from the authors (who in turn charge it to their funding agencies). This model is the 'author pays' model of BMC and PLoS. There are others [like Current Science and Pramana] which do not charge any fee from the authors or readers. They charge a subscription fee to print subscribers and probably get grants from funding agencies. In the OAA approach, authors deposit the full text of their papers [preprints, final accepted versions of papers, and postprints] in archives - either a central archive such as arXiv or an institutional archive. As the institutional archives are interoperable, to the searcher it would appear as if all these papers are located in one distant server; one does not have to search several servers. What is important to note is that OAA has adopted the key features of secondary services such as the use of metadata tags to make a search for relevant documents. If all researchers deposit their papers in institutional archives [as recommended recently by the UK House of Commons S&T Committee] anyone having a decent Internet connection can access any of those papers deposited anywhere in the world using metadata [keywords, etc]. This is what the secondary services try to achieve partially. Imagine that I access the print version of Chemical Abstracts. Using keywords, I can locate papers of my interest. If I use the electronic version [SciFinder] I can not only find out papers of my interest but often can navigate my way to the actual documents themselves, as SciFinder has agreements with many primary journals. In a perfect world, the secondary services will become superfluous. My guess is if the archiving habit picks up [as it has to a large extent in physics], many scientists will find it less and less necessary to go to secondary services. A clear example of what advances in technology can do to the ways in which we acquire knowledge. The Sabo Bill, as proposed by Congressman Martin Sabo, has a few loopholes as pointed out in some discussion lists. Peter Suber has suggested some improvements. With those improvements, if accepted by the US Congress, the Bill will do a lot of good. Of course OA will not cover secondary services. Arun --- Mailing List Manager <mailman(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:32:45 +0530 > From: sathya <sathya(a)informindia.co.in> > > Hi Arun > > Our Feb 2004 editorial in U&I focuses on Martin > Saboo's bill and its > implications - "OAI and the Copyright Battle" > http://www.informindia.co.in/u&i/Feb2004/u&i.htm > > A QUESTION(that haunts me), to Forum members. > > What should be the OAI's approach to "Indexes and > database Aggregations"? > For example, "Chemical Abstracts" and "the Journal > of American Chemical > Society" are different species of knowledge-animal, > of entirely different > value. > Please note, a new separate Act is enacted recently > by US Government to > copyright protect databases, while Saboo's bill > seeks to take-out federally > funded (substantially) research publications out of > copyright. > > Sathya > -------------------------------------------------- > N V Sathyanarayana > Informatics > www.informindia.co.in > -------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > LIS-Forum mailing list > LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Future of eprints software...
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:25:16 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Friends: Here is a brief report from Steve Hitchcock of the University of Southampton. Following an earlier notice to this list, an important meeting was held to consider the future of Eprints software. Putting Eprints Software into the User Community June 23, 2004, London, organised by JISC and the School of Electronics and Computer Science (ECS) at Southampton University. At this highly successful workshop that attracted over 100% of the booked delegates, invited users and stakeholders in Eprints software from around the world met to consider increased sharing and communications to ensure the continued sustainability and development of Eprints, the most widely used software for creating institutional archives. A report summarising the major proposals to emerge from the workshop, and highlighting areas for further investigation, is now available <http://opcit.eprints.org/jisc-eprints-user/summary-report.html> The full proceedings are linked from the original programme <http://opcit.eprints.org/jisc-eprints-user/>. All users of Eprints are invited to comment on the proposals, which are intended to bring forward actions from the workshop. Original notice <http://software.eprints.org/tech.php/2127.html> (include this url in tech mail only) <http://software.eprints.org/underground.php/323.html> (include this url in underground mail only). Steve Hitchcock IAM Group, School of Electronics and Computer Science University of Southampton SO17 1BJ, UK Email: sh94r(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 3256 Fax: +44 (0)23 8059 2865

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Re: LIS-Forum post from narayanghosh@yahoo.co.uk requires approval
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:28:15 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] narayan ghosh" <narayanghosh(a)yahoo.co.uk> This is to write an article titled "Electronic Library: a mere necessity for professional institutions". To establish my logic I require some live example of Libraries digitized their documents or subscribing resources in electronic forms. Please help urgently. N.Ghosh National Institute of Management Calcutta Kolkata

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Re: [LIS-Forum] Help - reg.
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:30:32 +0530 From: rajesh chandrakar <rajesh(a)inflibnet.ac.in> Dear Professionals, This is biggest problem of our profession. Every where, wherever you go their is no clear cut guidelines for the practising library professionals. Because of this, our professionals are ruining their career. Is any association out there, who can take care pains of our professional colleagues? regards, Rajesh ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:55:06 +0100 (BST) > From: "[iso-8859-1] Ramamoorthi P" <ram_sameer2003(a)yahoo.co.in> > > Dear LIS- Professionals, > > I am working as Library Assisistant in Society for Applied Microwave > Electronics Engineering and Research (SAMEER) An Autonomous R&D > organization, Ministry of Communication &Information Technology. GOVT. OF > INDIA > > Our organization is not accepting Library professionals as Technical > Support or Scientific Staff. They will be treated, as "Isolated Post" > there is no guidelines, procedure for assessment and Scale fixation for > library Staff. > > An autonomous organization (govt of India) under what category library > Professionals are coming? Are there any rules and guidelines for them?. > > Anybody working in the similar organizations may please share your views. > > Thanking you > > With regards > > P.Ramamoorthi > Librarian > SAMEER - Centre for Electromagnetics > CIT Campus, > IInd Cross RoadTaramani, > Chennai - 600 113Phone : 044-22541817,22541583 > Fax 044-22541938Residence Phone No. 22591974

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RE: [LIS-Forum] All India List of UGC Refresher and Orientation P rogrammes
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:28:34 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Thanks very much to Dr Kanmadi for this information. I am curious to know how many of these refresher courses include a session or two on open access, dealing with access to electronic journals, etc. Thanks and best wishes. Subbiah Arunachalam -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:52:35 +0530 From: Satish Kanamadi <satish(a)tiss.edu> Dear Members, This has further reference to the queries that have appeared on Lis Forum anout Refresher Courses.Full details about UGC supported Orientation and Refresher Courses for Teachers/Librarians are published in Employment News dated 24-30 July 2004,page27-40. This consoilidated information will definitely useful to librarians who are planning to attend them in the year 2004-05. Satish Kanamadi

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Establishing an Institutional Repository
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:09:49 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Friends: Here is a brief summary of an article recommended to me. Gibbons, Susan. "Establishing an Institutional Repository" [11]Library Technology Reports 40(4) (July-August 2004) - Institutional repositories are a hot topic with academic institutions, and in particular academic libraries. This 67-page report is an excellent summary of institutional repository benefits, potential uses, features, costs, and software options. The author has been involved with establishing an institutional repository at her institution, but it's also clear that she did her homework in putting this publication together. The information here is accurate and up-to-date, and can serve as a very useful overview of the state of institutional repositories currently as well as useful guidance for any institution wishing to create such a repository. Although LTR is published on a subscription basis, individual issues can be purchased at the web site ([12]www.techsource.ala.org). - [13]RT Is anyone getting this journal (LTR) in his/her library? If so, please alert me. I would like to read this article. Thanks very much and best wishes. Subbiah Arunachalam

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Re: [LIS-Forum] Request for training on D-space
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:43:59 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Prof. N. Laxman Rao." <naglaxman(a)yahoo.com> hi very soon it will be organised at Aligarh Muslim University in colloboration with INFLIBNET LAXMAN RAO ----original message------- From: Sanjay Kataria Dear Information Scientist, I would like to get training on D-space software, Kinldy advise me that where can i get complete training on this software. Best regards Sanjay Kataria Learning Resource Centre Jaypee Institute of Information Technology A-10, Sector-62, Noida (UP)201307 Ph. 0120-2400971 to 978 Ext. 251 09810503341 (Mobile) www.jiitindia.org

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Re: [LIS-Forum] All India List of UGC Refresher and Orientation Programmes
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:41:26 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Prof. N. Laxman Rao." <naglaxman(a)yahoo.com> Hi friends the employment news advertisement reg the ref courses is very useful. please make a small change as per as Osmania University is concerned it is from 22 Nov to 11 dec 2004. there is a slight change in the dates.p please make a note laxman rao

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RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access
by sathya 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Question-1 Do Chemists world over subscribe to Arun's view that Databases like Chemical Abstracts will become superfluous as OAI initiative matures covering a large part of journal content? Question-2 Saboo bill is a threat to the academic freedom of the scientists which gives them benefit of copyright for their published research works even though money is spent by their respective institutes for doing research (be it federal funding or others)? Are the scientist-authors willing to loose this academic freedom? This issue which is at the heart of freedom of expression, a very fundamental individual rights. If a scientist desires to publish a book out of his research work, will any publisher be willing to pick it up once the Saboo bill is passed as an act? Sathya -------------------------------------------------- N V Sathyanarayana Chairman & Managing Director Informatics (India) Ltd Bangalore 560003, India Phone : 91-80-23365940 www.informindia.co.in -------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Mailing List Manager [mailto:mailman@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:31 PM To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:26:27 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Subbiah Arunachalam" <subbiah_a(a)yahoo.com> Sathya asks how would champions of OA like to deal with secondary services [sucha as Chemical Abstracts]? I have not yet read his editorial and I will wait till the print version arrives, but in the meantime let me do a bit of loud thinking. The main purpose of OA in general is to make primary research findings available free to anyone who cares to read them. Especially final versions of refereed papers. This goal can be achieved two ways: OAP and OAA. There are now more than a thousand OAP journals. Many of them charge a fee upfront from the authors (who in turn charge it to their funding agencies). This model is the 'author pays' model of BMC and PLoS. There are others [like Current Science and Pramana] which do not charge any fee from the authors or readers. They charge a subscription fee to print subscribers and probably get grants from funding agencies. In the OAA approach, authors deposit the full text of their papers [preprints, final accepted versions of papers, and postprints] in archives - either a central archive such as arXiv or an institutional archive. As the institutional archives are interoperable, to the searcher it would appear as if all these papers are located in one distant server; one does not have to search several servers. What is important to note is that OAA has adopted the key features of secondary services such as the use of metadata tags to make a search for relevant documents. If all researchers deposit their papers in institutional archives [as recommended recently by the UK House of Commons S&T Committee] anyone having a decent Internet connection can access any of those papers deposited anywhere in the world using metadata [keywords, etc]. This is what the secondary services try to achieve partially. Imagine that I access the print version of Chemical Abstracts. Using keywords, I can locate papers of my interest. If I use the electronic version [SciFinder] I can not only find out papers of my interest but often can navigate my way to the actual documents themselves, as SciFinder has agreements with many primary journals. In a perfect world, the secondary services will become superfluous. My guess is if the archiving habit picks up [as it has to a large extent in physics], many scientists will find it less and less necessary to go to secondary services. A clear example of what advances in technology can do to the ways in which we acquire knowledge. The Sabo Bill, as proposed by Congressman Martin Sabo, has a few loopholes as pointed out in some discussion lists. Peter Suber has suggested some improvements. With those improvements, if accepted by the US Congress, the Bill will do a lot of good. Of course OA will not cover secondary services. Arun --- Mailing List Manager <mailman(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:32:45 +0530 > From: sathya <sathya(a)informindia.co.in> > > Hi Arun > > Our Feb 2004 editorial in U&I focuses on Martin > Saboo's bill and its > implications - "OAI and the Copyright Battle" > http://www.informindia.co.in/u&i/Feb2004/u&i.htm > > A QUESTION(that haunts me), to Forum members. > > What should be the OAI's approach to "Indexes and > database Aggregations"? > For example, "Chemical Abstracts" and "the Journal > of American Chemical > Society" are different species of knowledge-animal, > of entirely different > value. > Please note, a new separate Act is enacted recently > by US Government to > copyright protect databases, while Saboo's bill > seeks to take-out federally > funded (substantially) research publications out of > copyright. > > Sathya > -------------------------------------------------- > N V Sathyanarayana > Informatics > www.informindia.co.in > -------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > LIS-Forum mailing list > LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Alumni.NET Invitation
by BHOJARAJU GUNJAL 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

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