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info on santhal tribes
by Mailing List Manager 30 Jul '04

30 Jul '04

Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:54:36 +0530 From: sumita panse <sumita_panse(a)hotmail.com> Does any library have information on present status of SANTHAL tribes? It might be in the form of journal article or social case study. I would like to know at the earliest. sumita Content researcher Bhartiya vidya bhavan Mumbai

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RE: [LIS-Forum] Autonomous Institutions : Position of Librarians
by Mailing List Manager 30 Jul '04

30 Jul '04

Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:09:42 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] suresh kumar" <nsureshfcri(a)yahoo.co.in> Dear sir, In the best of my knowledge,in many autonomous organisations- situation is very pathetic.There are no formal rule of law and procedure/regulations for anything . The administrave ministry become a silent spectator to the activities of these organisations. Head of organisation will look forward to get guidelines form Ministry. Service Rules are mixure of Both FRSR and CSIR or similar organisations.In order to implement any Govt. of Inidia ofer,clearence from Governing council/Body required.The members of these Governing bodies are Top officers from Ministry and other Govt. organisations- least bothered about the autonomous bodies/its activities/employees.The failure is not marginal.But I agree that in the case of Hard work, the said advantage?/pressure is there in every autonomous organisation than Govt.since it functions like a private organisation.Similarly there are many autonomous organisations free from all these evils also. thanks Sureshkumar, Librarian,Fluid Control Research Institute(Govt. of India) Palakkad -kerala. nsureshfcri(a)yahoo.co.in --- Mailing List Manager <mailman(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:05:57 +0530 > From: Vyasamoorthy(a)icicikp.com > > Dear Friends: > > There is a plea from some quarters for help / > protection/ standardization > of pay scales, stream-lining promotion policy etc in > Autonomous > Institutions, especially for Librarians. > > Those in Autonomous institutions are at an advantage > over regular > government departments. Only those who are contended > with doing the > routine, collecting salary + perks etc at the end of > the month would enter > govt service. Those who desire to show their > competency, work hard, > improve themselves and the organization they serve > will choose private > organizations. Autonomous institutions under govt > give you the advantage > of both worlds. In an autonomous unit you need to > convince only one or two > bosses at the most and your line is clear for moving > up. In govt set ups > all employees are same; there is not much scope for > merit, intelligence or > hard work. Promotion is ensured by sitting in the > same seat for some years > at a stretch. Whether one deserves or not he would > get increments, salary > revision along with others. > > If you are capable you can move faster than the rest > in an autonomous > unit. If you just want to be mediocre, nobody > prevents you from being so > nor or you sacked for that. Why then crib? I do not > understand. > > Vyasamoorthy, P > _______________________________________________

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A case of sour grapes Re: RE: [LIS-Forum] Autonomous Institutions : Position of Librarians (fwd)
by Mailing List Manager 30 Jul '04

30 Jul '04

Date: 30 Jul 2004 08:22:48 -0000 From: Rajesh K Patil <rajeshbcd(a)rediffmail.com> Moderator's Note ---------------- Rajesh has a valid point. One shouldn't generalize things, especially when it comes to competency. We all have our own unique cracks and flaws. I request all the members to eschew such remarks in future. Let's not debate on it any further. Thanks for your cooperation, - Moderator -------Note ends here----------- � Hi, I don't think it is right to generalize that all Librarians in Government Service are incompetent. Even private sector has incompetent people. To be specific, my interaction with ICICI bank has been extremely disappointing. Hence, please avoid making such statements. Regards. Rajesh Thu, 29 Jul 2004 Mailing List Manager wrote : >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:05:57 +0530 > From: Vyasamoorthy(a)icicikp.com > >Dear Friends: > >There is a plea from some quarters for help / protection/ standardization >of pay scales, stream-lining promotion policy etc in Autonomous >Institutions, especially for Librarians. > >Those in Autonomous institutions are at an advantage over regular >government departments. Only those who are contended with doing the >routine, collecting salary + perks etc at the end of the month would enter >govt service. Those who desire to show their competency, work hard, >improve themselves and the organization they serve will choose private >organizations. Autonomous institutions under govt give you the advantage >of both worlds. In an autonomous unit you need to convince only one or two >bosses at the most and your line is clear for moving up. In govt set ups >all employees are same; there is not much scope for merit, intelligence or >hard work. Promotion is ensured by sitting in the same seat for some years >at a stretch. Whether one deserves or not he would get increments, salary >revision along with others. > >If you are capable you can move faster than the rest in an autonomous >unit. If you just want to be mediocre, nobody prevents you from being so >nor or you sacked for that. Why then crib? I do not understand. > >Vyasamoorthy, P >_______________________________________________ >LIS-Forum mailing list >LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum

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Electronic Library
by Mailing List Manager 29 Jul '04

29 Jul '04

Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:40:26 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] narayan ghosh" <narayanghosh(a)yahoo.co.uk> This is to write an article titled "Electronic Library: a bare necessity for professional institutions". To establish my logic I require some live example of Libraries digitized their documents or subscribing resources in electronic forms. Please help urgently. N.Ghosh National Institute of Management Calcutta Kolkata

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RE: [LIS-Forum] Autonomous Institutions : Position of Librarians
by Mailing List Manager 29 Jul '04

29 Jul '04

Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:05:57 +0530 From: Vyasamoorthy(a)icicikp.com Dear Friends: There is a plea from some quarters for help / protection/ standardization of pay scales, stream-lining promotion policy etc in Autonomous Institutions, especially for Librarians. Those in Autonomous institutions are at an advantage over regular government departments. Only those who are contended with doing the routine, collecting salary + perks etc at the end of the month would enter govt service. Those who desire to show their competency, work hard, improve themselves and the organization they serve will choose private organizations. Autonomous institutions under govt give you the advantage of both worlds. In an autonomous unit you need to convince only one or two bosses at the most and your line is clear for moving up. In govt set ups all employees are same; there is not much scope for merit, intelligence or hard work. Promotion is ensured by sitting in the same seat for some years at a stretch. Whether one deserves or not he would get increments, salary revision along with others. If you are capable you can move faster than the rest in an autonomous unit. If you just want to be mediocre, nobody prevents you from being so nor or you sacked for that. Why then crib? I do not understand. Vyasamoorthy, P

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RE: RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access
by Mailing List Manager 29 Jul '04

29 Jul '04

Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:50:10 +0530 From: Manish Mankad <Manish.Mankad(a)unilever.com> I have some comments on Mr. Sathya;s and Mr. Bukhari's observations on OAI. Firstly, let us be clear on the issue of free access ( i.e OAI type) v/s value added access ( i.e paid like CA, WOS etc)..The current Contents is useful only when all the TOCs are cross linked for search purposes else as Mr. Bukhari suggests it has little more to offer. Going further, OAI holds a great future only if has a good search mechanism. Coming to scientist's recognition of his/her work, again that can be viewd into 2 parts: Firstly, as Mr. Bukhari suggests, OAI will improve the knowledge buildup by mutual sharing thereby avoid costly duplication.. this can percolate down to students' level where at present the concerned institutes might not have enough funds to go for those journals ( and that benefits none but publishers ONLY) Secondly, if the information is of IPR type, it will any not appear in the journals before it is registered with the patent authorities. hence fear of loosing a commercial value does not arise. -Manish Mankad Information Services Ext: 208/460 Tel: 022 28276208 Hindustan Lever research Centre B.D. Sawant Marg Andheri (E), Mumbai 400099 INDIA -----Original Message----- Date: 29 Jul 2004 06:36:58 -0000 From: afsar bukhari <bukhari_786(a)rediffmail.com> Dear Friends, I would like to share some of my views in connection with �Sabo Bill & Open Access� as pointed out by Mr. Sathya do chemists world over subscribe �..databases like CA will be superfluous. In present day environment, how many libraries are subscribing to Current Contents of ISI? CC gives alerts of recently published articles. When we have TOC email alerts of journals freely available, then, is it worth going for current contents? Both of them are almost achieving the same objective. It is also worth here to ask how many scientists are looking at CC Moreover, they are rigid in the sense that scientists should go to the library to refer them (because individuals cannot afford to subscribe to them at such prices). What I feel is, future of these services like CA, CC etc in Open Access Environment will depend on what unique features they are offering to the users compared to what is available freely. Regarding the copyright issue Again in the present model, authors of articles do not enjoy copyright. It is the publisher who retains it and makes profit at the cost of library�s displeasure. A primary fact, which should not be forgotten, is: Author publishes his/her work to increase its visibility that offers him recognition in the field. If the article has wider access, it will also stop re-inventing the wheel. And regarding the other apprehension raised by Mr. Sathya If a scientist desires to publish a book out of his research work, will any publisher be willing to pick it up. Yes I agree with this because Sabo bill clearly states Any Federal department or agency that enters into a funding agreement with any person for the performance of scientific research substantially funded by the Federal Government shall include in the agreement a provision that states that copyright protection under this title is not available for any work produced pursuant to such research under the agreement�. The implication of this would be, publisher would have to make the book freely available. In this connection my suggestion is, let the supporters of Open Access (Publishers or National Academies) come forward to accept such manuscripts and make it available in electronic format on net. If any body desires to have its printed version, let an on demand order� be placed with the publisher This is already into practice. At National Academic Press (www.nap.edu) most of the titles are freely available on the net in html or pdf format. And if you like, you can order a title in print at a reasonable price. Looking forward to others views which would enrich my further understanding Happy Reading & Warm regards S.A.A. Bukhari Librarian Shantha Biotechnics Pvt Ltd Medchal Hyderabad www.shanthabiotech.com library.factory(a)shanthabiotech.com On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 sathya wrote : >Question-1 > >Do Chemists world over subscribe to Arun's view that Databases like Chemical >Abstracts will become superfluous as OAI initiative matures covering a large >part of journal content? > >Question-2 > >Saboo bill is a threat to the academic freedom of the scientists which gives >them benefit of copyright for their published research works even though >money is spent by their respective institutes for doing research (be it >federal funding or others)? Are the scientist-authors willing to loose this >academic freedom? This issue which is at the heart of freedom of expression, >a very fundamental individual rights. If a scientist desires to publish a >book out of his research work, will any publisher be willing to pick it up >once the Saboo bill is passed as an act? > >Sathya >-------------------------------------------------- >N V Sathyanarayana >Chairman & Managing Director >Informatics (India) Ltd >Bangalore 560003, India >Phone : 91-80-23365940 >www.informindia.co.in >-------------------------------------------------- > >-----Original Message----- > From: Mailing List Manager [mailto:mailman@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in] >Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:31 PM >To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >Subject: RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access > >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:26:27 +0100 (BST) > From: "[iso-8859-1] Subbiah Arunachalam" <subbiah_a(a)yahoo.com> > >Sathya asks how would champions of OA like to deal >with secondary services [sucha as Chemical Abstracts]? > >I have not yet read his editorial and I will wait till >the print version arrives, but in the meantime let me >do a bit of loud thinking. > >The main purpose of OA in general is to make primary >research findings available free to anyone who cares >to read them. Especially final versions of refereed >papers. This goal can be achieved two ways: OAP and >OAA. There are now more than a thousand OAP journals. >Many of them charge a fee upfront from the authors >(who in turn charge it to their funding agencies). >This model is the 'author pays' model of BMC and PLoS. >There are others [like Current Science and Pramana] >which do not charge any fee from the authors or >readers. They charge a subscription fee to print >subscribers and probably get grants from funding >agencies. > >In the OAA approach, authors deposit the full text of >their papers [preprints, final accepted versions of >papers, and postprints] in archives - either a central >archive such as arXiv or an institutional archive. As >the institutional archives are interoperable, to the >searcher it would appear as if all these papers are >located in one distant server; one does not have to >search several servers. What is important to note is >that OAA has adopted the key features of secondary >services such as the use of metadata tags to make a >search for relevant documents. > >If all researchers deposit their papers in >institutional archives [as recommended recently by the >UK House of Commons S&T Committee] anyone having a >decent Internet connection can access any of those >papers deposited anywhere in the world using metadata >[keywords, etc]. > >This is what the secondary services try to achieve >partially. Imagine that I access the print version of >Chemical Abstracts. Using keywords, I can locate >papers of my interest. If I use the electronic version >[SciFinder] I can not only find out papers of my >interest but often can navigate my way to the actual >documents themselves, as SciFinder has agreements with >many primary journals. > >In a perfect world, the secondary services will become >superfluous. My guess is if the archiving habit picks >up [as it has to a large extent in physics], many >scientists will find it less and less necessary to go >to secondary services. A clear example of what >advances in technology can do to the ways in which we >acquire knowledge. > >The Sabo Bill, as proposed by Congressman Martin Sabo, >has a few loopholes as pointed out in some discussion >lists. Peter Suber has suggested some improvements. >With those improvements, if accepted by the US >Congress, the Bill will do a lot of good. > >Of course OA will not cover secondary services. > >Arun > > >--- Mailing List Manager <mailman(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> >wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:32:45 +0530 > > From: sathya <sathya(a)informindia.co.in> > > > > Hi Arun > > > > Our Feb 2004 editorial in U&I focuses on Martin > > Saboo's bill and its > > implications - "OAI and the Copyright Battle" > > http://www.informindia.co.in/u&i/Feb2004/u&i.htm > > > > A QUESTION(that haunts me), to Forum members. > > > > What should be the OAI's approach to "Indexes and > > database Aggregations"? > > For example, "Chemical Abstracts" and "the Journal > > of American Chemical > > Society" are different species of knowledge-animal, > > of entirely different > > value. > > Please note, a new separate Act is enacted recently > > by US Government to > > copyright protect databases, while Saboo's bill > > seeks to take-out federally > > funded (substantially) research publications out of > > copyright. > > > > Sathya > > -------------------------------------------------- > > N V Sathyanarayana > > Informatics > > www.informindia.co.in > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > LIS-Forum mailing list > > LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! >Messenger - all new features - even more fun! >http://www.allnewmessenger.com >_______________________________________________ >LIS-Forum mailing list >LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum >_______________________________________________ >LIS-Forum mailing list >LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum _______________________________________________ LIS-Forum mailing list LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum

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Re: RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access
by Mailing List Manager 29 Jul '04

29 Jul '04

Date: 29 Jul 2004 06:36:58 -0000 From: afsar bukhari <bukhari_786(a)rediffmail.com> Dear Friends, I would like to share some of my views in connection with �Sabo Bill & Open Access� as pointed out by Mr. Sathya do chemists world over subscribe �..databases like CA will be superfluous. In present day environment, how many libraries are subscribing to Current Contents of ISI? CC gives alerts of recently published articles. When we have TOC email alerts of journals freely available, then, is it worth going for current contents? Both of them are almost achieving the same objective. It is also worth here to ask how many scientists are looking at CC Moreover, they are rigid in the sense that scientists should go to the library to refer them (because individuals cannot afford to subscribe to them at such prices). What I feel is, future of these services like CA, CC etc in Open Access Environment will depend on what unique features they are offering to the users compared to what is available freely. Regarding the copyright issue Again in the present model, authors of articles do not enjoy copyright. It is the publisher who retains it and makes profit at the cost of library�s displeasure. A primary fact, which should not be forgotten, is: Author publishes his/her work to increase its visibility that offers him recognition in the field. If the article has wider access, it will also stop re-inventing the wheel. And regarding the other apprehension raised by Mr. Sathya If a scientist desires to publish a book out of his research work, will any publisher be willing to pick it up. Yes I agree with this because Sabo bill clearly states Any Federal department or agency that enters into a funding agreement with any person for the performance of scientific research substantially funded by the Federal Government shall include in the agreement a provision that states that copyright protection under this title is not available for any work produced pursuant to such research under the agreement�. The implication of this would be, publisher would have to make the book freely available. In this connection my suggestion is, let the supporters of Open Access (Publishers or National Academies) come forward to accept such manuscripts and make it available in electronic format on net. If any body desires to have its printed version, let an on demand order� be placed with the publisher This is already into practice. At National Academic Press (www.nap.edu) most of the titles are freely available on the net in html or pdf format. And if you like, you can order a title in print at a reasonable price. Looking forward to others views which would enrich my further understanding Happy Reading & Warm regards S.A.A. Bukhari Librarian Shantha Biotechnics Pvt Ltd Medchal Hyderabad www.shanthabiotech.com library.factory(a)shanthabiotech.com On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 sathya wrote : >Question-1 > >Do Chemists world over subscribe to Arun's view that Databases like Chemical >Abstracts will become superfluous as OAI initiative matures covering a large >part of journal content? > >Question-2 > >Saboo bill is a threat to the academic freedom of the scientists which gives >them benefit of copyright for their published research works even though >money is spent by their respective institutes for doing research (be it >federal funding or others)? Are the scientist-authors willing to loose this >academic freedom? This issue which is at the heart of freedom of expression, >a very fundamental individual rights. If a scientist desires to publish a >book out of his research work, will any publisher be willing to pick it up >once the Saboo bill is passed as an act? > >Sathya >-------------------------------------------------- >N V Sathyanarayana >Chairman & Managing Director >Informatics (India) Ltd >Bangalore 560003, India >Phone : 91-80-23365940 >www.informindia.co.in >-------------------------------------------------- > >-----Original Message----- > From: Mailing List Manager [mailto:mailman@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in] >Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:31 PM >To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >Subject: RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access > >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:26:27 +0100 (BST) > From: "[iso-8859-1] Subbiah Arunachalam" <subbiah_a(a)yahoo.com> > >Sathya asks how would champions of OA like to deal >with secondary services [sucha as Chemical Abstracts]? > >I have not yet read his editorial and I will wait till >the print version arrives, but in the meantime let me >do a bit of loud thinking. > >The main purpose of OA in general is to make primary >research findings available free to anyone who cares >to read them. Especially final versions of refereed >papers. This goal can be achieved two ways: OAP and >OAA. There are now more than a thousand OAP journals. >Many of them charge a fee upfront from the authors >(who in turn charge it to their funding agencies). >This model is the 'author pays' model of BMC and PLoS. >There are others [like Current Science and Pramana] >which do not charge any fee from the authors or >readers. They charge a subscription fee to print >subscribers and probably get grants from funding >agencies. > >In the OAA approach, authors deposit the full text of >their papers [preprints, final accepted versions of >papers, and postprints] in archives - either a central >archive such as arXiv or an institutional archive. As >the institutional archives are interoperable, to the >searcher it would appear as if all these papers are >located in one distant server; one does not have to >search several servers. What is important to note is >that OAA has adopted the key features of secondary >services such as the use of metadata tags to make a >search for relevant documents. > >If all researchers deposit their papers in >institutional archives [as recommended recently by the >UK House of Commons S&T Committee] anyone having a >decent Internet connection can access any of those >papers deposited anywhere in the world using metadata >[keywords, etc]. > >This is what the secondary services try to achieve >partially. Imagine that I access the print version of >Chemical Abstracts. Using keywords, I can locate >papers of my interest. If I use the electronic version >[SciFinder] I can not only find out papers of my >interest but often can navigate my way to the actual >documents themselves, as SciFinder has agreements with >many primary journals. > >In a perfect world, the secondary services will become >superfluous. My guess is if the archiving habit picks >up [as it has to a large extent in physics], many >scientists will find it less and less necessary to go >to secondary services. A clear example of what >advances in technology can do to the ways in which we >acquire knowledge. > >The Sabo Bill, as proposed by Congressman Martin Sabo, >has a few loopholes as pointed out in some discussion >lists. Peter Suber has suggested some improvements. >With those improvements, if accepted by the US >Congress, the Bill will do a lot of good. > >Of course OA will not cover secondary services. > >Arun > > >--- Mailing List Manager <mailman(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> >wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:32:45 +0530 > > From: sathya <sathya(a)informindia.co.in> > > > > Hi Arun > > > > Our Feb 2004 editorial in U&I focuses on Martin > > Saboo's bill and its > > implications - "OAI and the Copyright Battle" > > http://www.informindia.co.in/u&i/Feb2004/u&i.htm > > > > A QUESTION(that haunts me), to Forum members. > > > > What should be the OAI's approach to "Indexes and > > database Aggregations"? > > For example, "Chemical Abstracts" and "the Journal > > of American Chemical > > Society" are different species of knowledge-animal, > > of entirely different > > value. > > Please note, a new separate Act is enacted recently > > by US Government to > > copyright protect databases, while Saboo's bill > > seeks to take-out federally > > funded (substantially) research publications out of > > copyright. > > > > Sathya > > -------------------------------------------------- > > N V Sathyanarayana > > Informatics > > www.informindia.co.in > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > LIS-Forum mailing list > > LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! >Messenger - all new features - even more fun! >http://www.allnewmessenger.com >_______________________________________________ >LIS-Forum mailing list >LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum >_______________________________________________ >LIS-Forum mailing list >LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum

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Re: [LIS-Forum] Help - reg.
by Mailing List Manager 29 Jul '04

29 Jul '04

Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:31:04 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] suresh kumar" <nsureshfcri(a)yahoo.co.in> Dear members, It is a great question - What is that the Government is expected to do in the service matters of library professionls in autonomous bodies under various ministries( nearly 130 institutions under various Ministries). It is essential to appoint a high power committee by our professional associations like ILA, IASLIC etc to study the problems in detail and act/represent accordingly. I also invite your attention to the issues prevailing in many autonomous organisations regarding the service conditions/salary structure/promotion avenues/ library grading/post and scale upgradation in tune with the Govt of India order on 4th and 5th CPC recommendations etc of Employees in these organisation. As you are aware, these organisations are not yet referred to the purview of CAT in service matters and hence there are number of service matter grievances and representations are pending with Management for a long. It is a big question as to which forum these employees should approach to protect their legitimate claims. It would be a different position if the remedy is a private law remedy as per the wishes of the Management.Hence I request all members intervention, who is actively associated with professional associations like ILA,IASLIC in this matter. I would also like to hear the views of Office bearers of these associations in this regard and let us know what they are going to do for these poor professioanl collegues. thanks, Sureshkumar, Librarian,Fluid Control Research Institute( Govt. Of India), Palakkad- Kerala. nsureshfcri(a)yahoo.co.in --- Mailing List Manager <mailman(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> wrote: > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:30:32 +0530 > From: rajesh chandrakar <rajesh(a)inflibnet.ac.in> > > Dear Professionals, > > This is biggest problem of our profession. Every > where, wherever you go > their is no clear cut guidelines for the practising > library professionals. > Because of this, our professionals are ruining their > career. Is any > association out there, who can take care pains of > our professional > colleagues? > > regards, > Rajesh >

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RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access
by Mailing List Manager 29 Jul '04

29 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:56:10 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Till recently, every commercial publisher of journals took away the copyright for the intellectual content produced by scientists supported often by public funds! Authors were asked to sign a form transferring copyright to the journal publisher! Is that what Sathya means by academic freedom? I thought it was taking undue advantage of scientists who have worked hard to produce some novel findings with the support of funding agencies. It is thanks to movements such as the OA movement authors are now able to retrieve copyright for their creations. Besides, OA advocates are not asking the journals to close down, despite the fact the major publishers earn profits far higher than most average companies in any other business, and the journal subscription prices are rising much faster than the general inflation rate. In fact, Stevan Harnad has written on this issue may be a hundred times. Reverting to copyright, there are many developments in recent years and I wish the LIS community invite experts such as Karim Shankar and Lawrence, both B'lore based, for detailed discussions. Indeed, Sathya could invite one of them to give the Informatics Annual Lecture. Or Dr Prasad of the Ranganathan Centre or the Karnataka Library Association could invite them for a discussion with LIS professionals. About scientists publishing books based on their research: Even now there are books which are merely collections of published articles. These are published by well-known publishers and I presume they do make a profit from such ventures. Most monographs today are based on published research and they are not the same as a collection of papers reporting the research. This situation will continue even in the open access regime. Besides, as Harnad keeps reminding us research papers are willingly given away by authors, whereas books are normally not. Arun -----Original Message----- From: sathya [mailto:sathya@informindia.co.in] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 3:37 PM To: 'Mailing List Manager'; lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access Question-1 Do Chemists world over subscribe to Arun's view that Databases like Chemical Abstracts will become superfluous as OAI initiative matures covering a large part of journal content? Question-2 Saboo bill is a threat to the academic freedom of the scientists which gives them benefit of copyright for their published research works even though money is spent by their respective institutes for doing research (be it federal funding or others)? Are the scientist-authors willing to loose this academic freedom? This issue which is at the heart of freedom of expression, a very fundamental individual rights. If a scientist desires to publish a book out of his research work, will any publisher be willing to pick it up once the Saboo bill is passed as an act? Sathya -------------------------------------------------- N V Sathyanarayana Chairman & Managing Director Informatics (India) Ltd Bangalore 560003, India Phone : 91-80-23365940 www.informindia.co.in -------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Mailing List Manager [mailto:mailman@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:31 PM To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:26:27 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Subbiah Arunachalam" <subbiah_a(a)yahoo.com> Sathya asks how would champions of OA like to deal with secondary services [sucha as Chemical Abstracts]? I have not yet read his editorial and I will wait till the print version arrives, but in the meantime let me do a bit of loud thinking. The main purpose of OA in general is to make primary research findings available free to anyone who cares to read them. Especially final versions of refereed papers. This goal can be achieved two ways: OAP and OAA. There are now more than a thousand OAP journals. Many of them charge a fee upfront from the authors (who in turn charge it to their funding agencies). This model is the 'author pays' model of BMC and PLoS. There are others [like Current Science and Pramana] which do not charge any fee from the authors or readers. They charge a subscription fee to print subscribers and probably get grants from funding agencies. In the OAA approach, authors deposit the full text of their papers [preprints, final accepted versions of papers, and postprints] in archives - either a central archive such as arXiv or an institutional archive. As the institutional archives are interoperable, to the searcher it would appear as if all these papers are located in one distant server; one does not have to search several servers. What is important to note is that OAA has adopted the key features of secondary services such as the use of metadata tags to make a search for relevant documents. If all researchers deposit their papers in institutional archives [as recommended recently by the UK House of Commons S&T Committee] anyone having a decent Internet connection can access any of those papers deposited anywhere in the world using metadata [keywords, etc]. This is what the secondary services try to achieve partially. Imagine that I access the print version of Chemical Abstracts. Using keywords, I can locate papers of my interest. If I use the electronic version [SciFinder] I can not only find out papers of my interest but often can navigate my way to the actual documents themselves, as SciFinder has agreements with many primary journals. In a perfect world, the secondary services will become superfluous. My guess is if the archiving habit picks up [as it has to a large extent in physics], many scientists will find it less and less necessary to go to secondary services. A clear example of what advances in technology can do to the ways in which we acquire knowledge. The Sabo Bill, as proposed by Congressman Martin Sabo, has a few loopholes as pointed out in some discussion lists. Peter Suber has suggested some improvements. With those improvements, if accepted by the US Congress, the Bill will do a lot of good. Of course OA will not cover secondary services. Arun --- Mailing List Manager <mailman(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:32:45 +0530 > From: sathya <sathya(a)informindia.co.in> > > Hi Arun > > Our Feb 2004 editorial in U&I focuses on Martin > Saboo's bill and its > implications - "OAI and the Copyright Battle" > http://www.informindia.co.in/u&i/Feb2004/u&i.htm > > A QUESTION(that haunts me), to Forum members. > > What should be the OAI's approach to "Indexes and > database Aggregations"? > For example, "Chemical Abstracts" and "the Journal > of American Chemical > Society" are different species of knowledge-animal, > of entirely different > value. > Please note, a new separate Act is enacted recently > by US Government to > copyright protect databases, while Saboo's bill > seeks to take-out federally > funded (substantially) research publications out of > copyright. > > Sathya > -------------------------------------------------- > N V Sathyanarayana > Informatics > www.informindia.co.in > -------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > LIS-Forum mailing list > LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access
by Subbiah Arunachalam 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Till recently, every commercial publisher of journals took away the copyright for the intellectual content produced by scientists supported often by public funds! Authors were asked to sign a form transferring copyright to the journal publisher! Is that what Sathya means by academic freedom? I thought it was taking undue advantage of scientists who have worked hard to produce some novel findings with the support of funding agencies. It is thanks to movements such as the OA movement authors are now able to retrieve copyright for their creations. Besides, OA advocates are not asking the journals to close down, despite the fact the major publishers earn profits far higher than most average companies in any other business, and the journal subscription prices are rising much faster than the general inflation rate. In fact, Stevan Harnad has written on this issue may be a hundred times. Reverting to copyright, there are many developments in recent years and I wish the LIS community invite experts such as Karim Shankar and Lawrence, both B'lore based, for detailed discussions. Indeed, Sathya could invite one of them to give the Informatics Annual Lecture. Or Dr Prasad of the Ranganathan Centre or the Karnataka Library Association could invite them for a discussion with LIS professionals. About scientists publishing books based on their research: Even now there are books which are merely collections of published articles. These are published by well-known publishers and I presume they do make a profit from such ventures. Most monographs today are based on published research and they are not the same as a collection of papers reporting the research. This situation will continue even in the open access regime. Besides, as Harnad keeps reminding us research papers are willingly given away by authors, whereas books are normally not. Arun -----Original Message----- From: sathya [mailto:sathya@informindia.co.in] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 3:37 PM To: 'Mailing List Manager'; lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access Question-1 Do Chemists world over subscribe to Arun's view that Databases like Chemical Abstracts will become superfluous as OAI initiative matures covering a large part of journal content? Question-2 Saboo bill is a threat to the academic freedom of the scientists which gives them benefit of copyright for their published research works even though money is spent by their respective institutes for doing research (be it federal funding or others)? Are the scientist-authors willing to loose this academic freedom? This issue which is at the heart of freedom of expression, a very fundamental individual rights. If a scientist desires to publish a book out of his research work, will any publisher be willing to pick it up once the Saboo bill is passed as an act? Sathya -------------------------------------------------- N V Sathyanarayana Chairman & Managing Director Informatics (India) Ltd Bangalore 560003, India Phone : 91-80-23365940 www.informindia.co.in -------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Mailing List Manager [mailto:mailman@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:31 PM To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:26:27 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Subbiah Arunachalam" <subbiah_a(a)yahoo.com> Sathya asks how would champions of OA like to deal with secondary services [sucha as Chemical Abstracts]? I have not yet read his editorial and I will wait till the print version arrives, but in the meantime let me do a bit of loud thinking. The main purpose of OA in general is to make primary research findings available free to anyone who cares to read them. Especially final versions of refereed papers. This goal can be achieved two ways: OAP and OAA. There are now more than a thousand OAP journals. Many of them charge a fee upfront from the authors (who in turn charge it to their funding agencies). This model is the 'author pays' model of BMC and PLoS. There are others [like Current Science and Pramana] which do not charge any fee from the authors or readers. They charge a subscription fee to print subscribers and probably get grants from funding agencies. In the OAA approach, authors deposit the full text of their papers [preprints, final accepted versions of papers, and postprints] in archives - either a central archive such as arXiv or an institutional archive. As the institutional archives are interoperable, to the searcher it would appear as if all these papers are located in one distant server; one does not have to search several servers. What is important to note is that OAA has adopted the key features of secondary services such as the use of metadata tags to make a search for relevant documents. If all researchers deposit their papers in institutional archives [as recommended recently by the UK House of Commons S&T Committee] anyone having a decent Internet connection can access any of those papers deposited anywhere in the world using metadata [keywords, etc]. This is what the secondary services try to achieve partially. Imagine that I access the print version of Chemical Abstracts. Using keywords, I can locate papers of my interest. If I use the electronic version [SciFinder] I can not only find out papers of my interest but often can navigate my way to the actual documents themselves, as SciFinder has agreements with many primary journals. In a perfect world, the secondary services will become superfluous. My guess is if the archiving habit picks up [as it has to a large extent in physics], many scientists will find it less and less necessary to go to secondary services. A clear example of what advances in technology can do to the ways in which we acquire knowledge. The Sabo Bill, as proposed by Congressman Martin Sabo, has a few loopholes as pointed out in some discussion lists. Peter Suber has suggested some improvements. With those improvements, if accepted by the US Congress, the Bill will do a lot of good. Of course OA will not cover secondary services. Arun --- Mailing List Manager <mailman(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:32:45 +0530 > From: sathya <sathya(a)informindia.co.in> > > Hi Arun > > Our Feb 2004 editorial in U&I focuses on Martin > Saboo's bill and its > implications - "OAI and the Copyright Battle" > http://www.informindia.co.in/u&i/Feb2004/u&i.htm > > A QUESTION(that haunts me), to Forum members. > > What should be the OAI's approach to "Indexes and > database Aggregations"? > For example, "Chemical Abstracts" and "the Journal > of American Chemical > Society" are different species of knowledge-animal, > of entirely different > value. > Please note, a new separate Act is enacted recently > by US Government to > copyright protect databases, while Saboo's bill > seeks to take-out federally > funded (substantially) research publications out of > copyright. > > Sathya > -------------------------------------------------- > N V Sathyanarayana > Informatics > www.informindia.co.in > -------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > LIS-Forum mailing list > LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://www.allnewmessenger.com _______________________________________________ LIS-Forum mailing list LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum _______________________________________________ LIS-Forum mailing list LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum

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Future of eprints software...
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:25:16 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Friends: Here is a brief report from Steve Hitchcock of the University of Southampton. Following an earlier notice to this list, an important meeting was held to consider the future of Eprints software. Putting Eprints Software into the User Community June 23, 2004, London, organised by JISC and the School of Electronics and Computer Science (ECS) at Southampton University. At this highly successful workshop that attracted over 100% of the booked delegates, invited users and stakeholders in Eprints software from around the world met to consider increased sharing and communications to ensure the continued sustainability and development of Eprints, the most widely used software for creating institutional archives. A report summarising the major proposals to emerge from the workshop, and highlighting areas for further investigation, is now available <http://opcit.eprints.org/jisc-eprints-user/summary-report.html> The full proceedings are linked from the original programme <http://opcit.eprints.org/jisc-eprints-user/>. All users of Eprints are invited to comment on the proposals, which are intended to bring forward actions from the workshop. Original notice <http://software.eprints.org/tech.php/2127.html> (include this url in tech mail only) <http://software.eprints.org/underground.php/323.html> (include this url in underground mail only). Steve Hitchcock IAM Group, School of Electronics and Computer Science University of Southampton SO17 1BJ, UK Email: sh94r(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 3256 Fax: +44 (0)23 8059 2865

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Re: LIS-Forum post from narayanghosh@yahoo.co.uk requires approval
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:28:15 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] narayan ghosh" <narayanghosh(a)yahoo.co.uk> This is to write an article titled "Electronic Library: a mere necessity for professional institutions". To establish my logic I require some live example of Libraries digitized their documents or subscribing resources in electronic forms. Please help urgently. N.Ghosh National Institute of Management Calcutta Kolkata

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Re: [LIS-Forum] Help - reg.
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:30:32 +0530 From: rajesh chandrakar <rajesh(a)inflibnet.ac.in> Dear Professionals, This is biggest problem of our profession. Every where, wherever you go their is no clear cut guidelines for the practising library professionals. Because of this, our professionals are ruining their career. Is any association out there, who can take care pains of our professional colleagues? regards, Rajesh ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:55:06 +0100 (BST) > From: "[iso-8859-1] Ramamoorthi P" <ram_sameer2003(a)yahoo.co.in> > > Dear LIS- Professionals, > > I am working as Library Assisistant in Society for Applied Microwave > Electronics Engineering and Research (SAMEER) An Autonomous R&D > organization, Ministry of Communication &Information Technology. GOVT. OF > INDIA > > Our organization is not accepting Library professionals as Technical > Support or Scientific Staff. They will be treated, as "Isolated Post" > there is no guidelines, procedure for assessment and Scale fixation for > library Staff. > > An autonomous organization (govt of India) under what category library > Professionals are coming? Are there any rules and guidelines for them?. > > Anybody working in the similar organizations may please share your views. > > Thanking you > > With regards > > P.Ramamoorthi > Librarian > SAMEER - Centre for Electromagnetics > CIT Campus, > IInd Cross RoadTaramani, > Chennai - 600 113Phone : 044-22541817,22541583 > Fax 044-22541938Residence Phone No. 22591974

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RE: [LIS-Forum] All India List of UGC Refresher and Orientation P rogrammes
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:28:34 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Thanks very much to Dr Kanmadi for this information. I am curious to know how many of these refresher courses include a session or two on open access, dealing with access to electronic journals, etc. Thanks and best wishes. Subbiah Arunachalam -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:52:35 +0530 From: Satish Kanamadi <satish(a)tiss.edu> Dear Members, This has further reference to the queries that have appeared on Lis Forum anout Refresher Courses.Full details about UGC supported Orientation and Refresher Courses for Teachers/Librarians are published in Employment News dated 24-30 July 2004,page27-40. This consoilidated information will definitely useful to librarians who are planning to attend them in the year 2004-05. Satish Kanamadi

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Establishing an Institutional Repository
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:09:49 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Friends: Here is a brief summary of an article recommended to me. Gibbons, Susan. "Establishing an Institutional Repository" [11]Library Technology Reports 40(4) (July-August 2004) - Institutional repositories are a hot topic with academic institutions, and in particular academic libraries. This 67-page report is an excellent summary of institutional repository benefits, potential uses, features, costs, and software options. The author has been involved with establishing an institutional repository at her institution, but it's also clear that she did her homework in putting this publication together. The information here is accurate and up-to-date, and can serve as a very useful overview of the state of institutional repositories currently as well as useful guidance for any institution wishing to create such a repository. Although LTR is published on a subscription basis, individual issues can be purchased at the web site ([12]www.techsource.ala.org). - [13]RT Is anyone getting this journal (LTR) in his/her library? If so, please alert me. I would like to read this article. Thanks very much and best wishes. Subbiah Arunachalam

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Re: [LIS-Forum] Request for training on D-space
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:43:59 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Prof. N. Laxman Rao." <naglaxman(a)yahoo.com> hi very soon it will be organised at Aligarh Muslim University in colloboration with INFLIBNET LAXMAN RAO ----original message------- From: Sanjay Kataria Dear Information Scientist, I would like to get training on D-space software, Kinldy advise me that where can i get complete training on this software. Best regards Sanjay Kataria Learning Resource Centre Jaypee Institute of Information Technology A-10, Sector-62, Noida (UP)201307 Ph. 0120-2400971 to 978 Ext. 251 09810503341 (Mobile) www.jiitindia.org

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Re: [LIS-Forum] All India List of UGC Refresher and Orientation Programmes
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:41:26 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Prof. N. Laxman Rao." <naglaxman(a)yahoo.com> Hi friends the employment news advertisement reg the ref courses is very useful. please make a small change as per as Osmania University is concerned it is from 22 Nov to 11 dec 2004. there is a slight change in the dates.p please make a note laxman rao

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RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access
by sathya 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Question-1 Do Chemists world over subscribe to Arun's view that Databases like Chemical Abstracts will become superfluous as OAI initiative matures covering a large part of journal content? Question-2 Saboo bill is a threat to the academic freedom of the scientists which gives them benefit of copyright for their published research works even though money is spent by their respective institutes for doing research (be it federal funding or others)? Are the scientist-authors willing to loose this academic freedom? This issue which is at the heart of freedom of expression, a very fundamental individual rights. If a scientist desires to publish a book out of his research work, will any publisher be willing to pick it up once the Saboo bill is passed as an act? Sathya -------------------------------------------------- N V Sathyanarayana Chairman & Managing Director Informatics (India) Ltd Bangalore 560003, India Phone : 91-80-23365940 www.informindia.co.in -------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Mailing List Manager [mailto:mailman@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:31 PM To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:26:27 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Subbiah Arunachalam" <subbiah_a(a)yahoo.com> Sathya asks how would champions of OA like to deal with secondary services [sucha as Chemical Abstracts]? I have not yet read his editorial and I will wait till the print version arrives, but in the meantime let me do a bit of loud thinking. The main purpose of OA in general is to make primary research findings available free to anyone who cares to read them. Especially final versions of refereed papers. This goal can be achieved two ways: OAP and OAA. There are now more than a thousand OAP journals. Many of them charge a fee upfront from the authors (who in turn charge it to their funding agencies). This model is the 'author pays' model of BMC and PLoS. There are others [like Current Science and Pramana] which do not charge any fee from the authors or readers. They charge a subscription fee to print subscribers and probably get grants from funding agencies. In the OAA approach, authors deposit the full text of their papers [preprints, final accepted versions of papers, and postprints] in archives - either a central archive such as arXiv or an institutional archive. As the institutional archives are interoperable, to the searcher it would appear as if all these papers are located in one distant server; one does not have to search several servers. What is important to note is that OAA has adopted the key features of secondary services such as the use of metadata tags to make a search for relevant documents. If all researchers deposit their papers in institutional archives [as recommended recently by the UK House of Commons S&T Committee] anyone having a decent Internet connection can access any of those papers deposited anywhere in the world using metadata [keywords, etc]. This is what the secondary services try to achieve partially. Imagine that I access the print version of Chemical Abstracts. Using keywords, I can locate papers of my interest. If I use the electronic version [SciFinder] I can not only find out papers of my interest but often can navigate my way to the actual documents themselves, as SciFinder has agreements with many primary journals. In a perfect world, the secondary services will become superfluous. My guess is if the archiving habit picks up [as it has to a large extent in physics], many scientists will find it less and less necessary to go to secondary services. A clear example of what advances in technology can do to the ways in which we acquire knowledge. The Sabo Bill, as proposed by Congressman Martin Sabo, has a few loopholes as pointed out in some discussion lists. Peter Suber has suggested some improvements. With those improvements, if accepted by the US Congress, the Bill will do a lot of good. Of course OA will not cover secondary services. Arun --- Mailing List Manager <mailman(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:32:45 +0530 > From: sathya <sathya(a)informindia.co.in> > > Hi Arun > > Our Feb 2004 editorial in U&I focuses on Martin > Saboo's bill and its > implications - "OAI and the Copyright Battle" > http://www.informindia.co.in/u&i/Feb2004/u&i.htm > > A QUESTION(that haunts me), to Forum members. > > What should be the OAI's approach to "Indexes and > database Aggregations"? > For example, "Chemical Abstracts" and "the Journal > of American Chemical > Society" are different species of knowledge-animal, > of entirely different > value. > Please note, a new separate Act is enacted recently > by US Government to > copyright protect databases, while Saboo's bill > seeks to take-out federally > funded (substantially) research publications out of > copyright. > > Sathya > -------------------------------------------------- > N V Sathyanarayana > Informatics > www.informindia.co.in > -------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > LIS-Forum mailing list > LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://www.allnewmessenger.com _______________________________________________ LIS-Forum mailing list LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum

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Alumni.NET Invitation
by BHOJARAJU GUNJAL 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

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RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access
by Mailing List Manager 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:26:27 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Subbiah Arunachalam" <subbiah_a(a)yahoo.com> Sathya asks how would champions of OA like to deal with secondary services [sucha as Chemical Abstracts]? I have not yet read his editorial and I will wait till the print version arrives, but in the meantime let me do a bit of loud thinking. The main purpose of OA in general is to make primary research findings available free to anyone who cares to read them. Especially final versions of refereed papers. This goal can be achieved two ways: OAP and OAA. There are now more than a thousand OAP journals. Many of them charge a fee upfront from the authors (who in turn charge it to their funding agencies). This model is the 'author pays' model of BMC and PLoS. There are others [like Current Science and Pramana] which do not charge any fee from the authors or readers. They charge a subscription fee to print subscribers and probably get grants from funding agencies. In the OAA approach, authors deposit the full text of their papers [preprints, final accepted versions of papers, and postprints] in archives - either a central archive such as arXiv or an institutional archive. As the institutional archives are interoperable, to the searcher it would appear as if all these papers are located in one distant server; one does not have to search several servers. What is important to note is that OAA has adopted the key features of secondary services such as the use of metadata tags to make a search for relevant documents. If all researchers deposit their papers in institutional archives [as recommended recently by the UK House of Commons S&T Committee] anyone having a decent Internet connection can access any of those papers deposited anywhere in the world using metadata [keywords, etc]. This is what the secondary services try to achieve partially. Imagine that I access the print version of Chemical Abstracts. Using keywords, I can locate papers of my interest. If I use the electronic version [SciFinder] I can not only find out papers of my interest but often can navigate my way to the actual documents themselves, as SciFinder has agreements with many primary journals. In a perfect world, the secondary services will become superfluous. My guess is if the archiving habit picks up [as it has to a large extent in physics], many scientists will find it less and less necessary to go to secondary services. A clear example of what advances in technology can do to the ways in which we acquire knowledge. The Sabo Bill, as proposed by Congressman Martin Sabo, has a few loopholes as pointed out in some discussion lists. Peter Suber has suggested some improvements. With those improvements, if accepted by the US Congress, the Bill will do a lot of good. Of course OA will not cover secondary services. Arun --- Mailing List Manager <mailman(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:32:45 +0530 > From: sathya <sathya(a)informindia.co.in> > > Hi Arun > > Our Feb 2004 editorial in U&I focuses on Martin > Saboo's bill and its > implications - "OAI and the Copyright Battle" > http://www.informindia.co.in/u&i/Feb2004/u&i.htm > > A QUESTION(that haunts me), to Forum members. > > What should be the OAI's approach to "Indexes and > database Aggregations"? > For example, "Chemical Abstracts" and "the Journal > of American Chemical > Society" are different species of knowledge-animal, > of entirely different > value. > Please note, a new separate Act is enacted recently > by US Government to > copyright protect databases, while Saboo's bill > seeks to take-out federally > funded (substantially) research publications out of > copyright. > > Sathya > -------------------------------------------------- > N V Sathyanarayana > Informatics > www.informindia.co.in > -------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > LIS-Forum mailing list > LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://www.allnewmessenger.com

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All India List of UGC Refresher and Orientation Programmes
by Mailing List Manager 27 Jul '04

27 Jul '04

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:52:35 +0530 From: Satish Kanamadi <satish(a)tiss.edu> Dear Members, This has further reference to the queries that have appeared on Lis Forum anout Refresher Courses.Full details about UGC supported Orientation and Refresher Courses for Teachers/Librarians are published in Employment News dated 24-30 July 2004,page27-40. This consoilidated information will definitely useful to librarians who are planning to attend them in the year 2004-05. Satish Kanamadi ******************************************************************************************************************* Satish Kanamadi Asst Librarian (Journals) Sir Dorabji Tata Memorial Library Tata Institute of Social Sciences Deonar, MUMBAI-400088 Tel: 022-25563290 Extn.285 Fax:022- 25562912 Email:satish@tiss.edu, kanamadi(a)hotmail.com

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Request for training on D-space
by Mailing List Manager 27 Jul '04

27 Jul '04

Date: 27 Jul 2004 05:01:52 -0000 From: Sanjay Kataria <lib_scholar(a)rediffmail.com> Dear Information Scientist, I would like to get training on D-space software, Kinldy advise me that where can i get complete training on this software. Best regards Sanjay Kataria Learning Resource Centre Jaypee Institute of Information Technology A-10, Sector-62, Noida (UP)201307 Ph. 0120-2400971 to 978 Ext. 251 09810503341 (Mobile) www.jiitindia.org

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Help - reg.
by Mailing List Manager 27 Jul '04

27 Jul '04

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:55:06 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Ramamoorthi P" <ram_sameer2003(a)yahoo.co.in> Dear LIS- Professionals, I am working as Library Assisistant in Society for Applied Microwave Electronics Engineering and Research (SAMEER) An Autonomous R&D organization, Ministry of Communication &Information Technology. GOVT. OF INDIA Our organization is not accepting Library professionals as Technical Support or Scientific Staff. They will be treated, as �Isolated Post� there is no guidelines, procedure for assessment and Scale fixation for library Staff. An autonomous organization (govt of India) under what category library Professionals are coming? Are there any rules and guidelines for them?. Anybody working in the similar organizations may please share your views. Thanking you With regards P.Ramamoorthi Librarian SAMEER - Centre for Electromagnetics CIT Campus, IInd Cross RoadTaramani, Chennai - 600 113Phone : 044-22541817,22541583 Fax 044-22541938Residence Phone No. 22591974

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RE: [LIS-Forum] Library Security System - Supplier Address - Requested
by Mailing List Manager 27 Jul '04

27 Jul '04

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:44:48 +0530 From: Vyasamoorthy(a)icicikp.com This has reference to Thirunavukkarasu's request for info. For Access Control Cards based on Proximity principle you may contact address given below. With the help of this system only valid persons holding encoded access control encoded cards will be permitted in. Similar Entry Control Systems are in use in Anna University Library, Madras and IIT Bombay. CCMB/IICT in Hyderabad have recently installed CCTV security system in Library. Their experience is NOT a happy one. Learning more from them, you also get know whom/what to avoid. Tyco Engineering & Construction (Earlier Alert Fire Services) C-15, Vikram Puri Colony Beside Bata Show Room Secunderabad - 500 009 Phone No. 27897113 Contact: A.S Rao Phone: Hyderabad: 2789 7113/7123 Best wishes Dr.P.Vyasamoorthy, Advisor, Virtual Information Centre, ICICI Knowledge Park, Genome Valley, Turkapally, Shameerpet Mandal, RR District, Hyderabad 500078 INDIA Email: vyasamoorthy(a)icicikp.com Phone - Office: +91(40)23480053 Fax: +91(40)23480007 Phone Residence: +91(40)27846631

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InfoWatch- May-June 2004
by M.R Lalitha 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

Dear LIS-Forum member, The combined May-June 2004 issue of InfoWatch is now online, bringing you details of new Internet sites related to Science and Engineering. You can access the complete issue on the NCSI Web server at the URL : http://www.ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/infowatch/iw.php You will also find earlier issues of InfoWatch here. For your convenience, the table of contents is given below. If you wish to be on the mailing list of InfoWatch to receive the complete issue by e-mail, let us know. Also mention your format preference - html or text. Regards -Lalitha M.R lalitha(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in ------------------------------------------------------------------------ InfoWatch Tracking Networked Scientific Information Sources and Services (An electronic update service brought to you by NCSI) May-June 2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In This Issue: 1. Access Grid [An interface to Grid middleware and visualization environments] 2. Corrosionsource.com - The one stop corrosion and materials information resource 3. Discovery of global warming 4. Engineering Conference International [Free, full text access to engineering conference proceedings] 5. ExInt: An Exon-Intron database 6. Flight dynamics and control toolbox 7. FreeOS.com - A resource center for Free Operating Systems 8. International education indicators [Compiled from recent NCES international reports and surveys] 9. MESSENGER - MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry, and Ranging 10. Molecular Origami [Folding and arrangement of atoms in molecules and network solids] 11. Optics.Org technical library - Optics and Photonics library 12. Parallax Project [ A digitized version of the "Publications of the Allegheny Observatory of the University of Pittsburgh"] 13. PC technology guide 14. PoLyInfo - A polymer database 15. Robots and us 16. Science and Engineering Indicators 2004 [By National Science Board, National Science Foundation, U.S] 17. Technical Information [Part of International Rectifier website] 18. The Associates for Biosystem Science and Engineering (WABSE) 19. The Register of Known Spam Operations (ROKSO) 20. Tips and tricks for windows 21. Tom's free chemistry software 22. ZapMeta - A meta-search engine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ About InfoWatch : InfoWatch is a monthly electronic newsletter, brought out by the National Centre for Science Information (NCSI) Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore - 560 012, INDIA. Information in the newsletter is collected and verified by NCSI staff.The newsletter aims to raise awareness of new sources of information on the Internet, particularly those which are relevant for higher education and research. Some items may be of relevance only to the IISc community.Resources reported here have been taken from various discussion lists and other network tools and no special claims are made for accuracy or originality. Most of the sources cited in the newsletter were checked at the time of publication, however it is possible that some of the resources are no longer available. We welcome comments about the newsletter and suggestions for resources to be featured. Please e-mail your comments to InfoWatch editors: Ms. K. Thulasi (thulasi(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in) & Ms. M. R. Lalitha (lalitha(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in) ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Library Security System - Supplier Address - Requested
by sainul＠iiitmk.ac.in 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

Dear Mr A Thirunavikkarasu, Contact details of some of the Library Security System are given below. For EAS electronic article surveillance systems: 1. Monitor electronics pvt ltd Pune e-mail magic(a)giaspn01.vsnl.net.in 2. India Satcom Ltd. B'lore e-mail rajesh(a)indiasatcom.com For RF ID Security Systems: 1. Essae Technologys Pvt. ltd, 100,18th main, 6th block, Koramangala, B'lore-560095 E-mail essaebir(a)vsnl.net With best regards, Sainul Abideen P Librarian IIITM-K Thiruvananthapuram www.iiitmk.ac.in This Mail has been sent from: ________________________________________________________________________ Indian Institute of Information Technology and Management - Kerala, Park Centre, Techno Park, Thiruvananthapuram - 695 581. Kerala. India. Contact: Website: http://www.iiitmk.ac.in Phone: +91-471-2527567 / 3091334 Fax: +91-471-2527568 ________________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and /or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this in error,please contact the sender and delete the material from anycomputer.

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New Publicztion - TUTOR+ Ed.2
by Mailing List Manager 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:30:17 +0530 From: Srels <srels(a)blr.vsnl.net.in> Dear All: Sarada Ranganathan Endowment for Library Science has recently published - TUTOR+: A Learning and Teaching Package on Hypertext Link Commands in WINISIS. Edition 2. The details are as follows : TUTOR + A Learning and Teaching package on Hypertext Link Commands in WINISIS Edition 2 Prepared by A. Neelameghan Assisted by S.K. Lalitha Sarada Ranganathan Endowment for Library Science Bangalore 560 010 2004 July About TUTOR+ Edition 2 The TUTOR+ package is intended to assist users in learning about the hypertext link commands of the WINISIS software. The package can also be used in training courses on WINISIS hypertext links. Users should be familiar with the basics of working with WINISIS and Microsoft WINDOWS. Some of the newer commands work only with version 1.4 and higher. In edition 2, some corrections and revisions have been incorporated. Tutor has been developed using WINISIS. This TUTOR+ package consists of a printed manual and the databases on a CD/diskettes (1.44 MB). Price : Rs.200/- (US $ 25); Mechanical Details : A4 size' 62p; Paper back; 1 CD For further information and assistance, please contact : Executive Officer Sarada Ranganathan Endowment for Library Science 702, 'Upstairs', 42nd Cross III Block, Rajajinagar, Bangalore 560 010 Ph: (080) 23305109; (080) 23341657 E-mail : srels(a)vsnl.com

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Re: [LIS-Forum] Library Security System - Supplier Address - Requested
by Mailing List Manager 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

Date: 25 Jul 2004 12:01:16 -0000 From: aravind llm shety <aravind_1(a)rediffmail.com> � Dear Mr A Thirunavikkarasu, You can contact Bartronics pvt ltd based in Hyderabad.They provide solutions based on RFID (Radio Frequency Identification tags). This is a system for automatic surveillance of documents. With regards Arvindkumar M Bhadrashetty Hyderabad On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 Mailing List Manager wrote : >Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:30:03 +0100 (BST) > From: "[iso-8859-1] Alaguppillai Thirunavukkarasu" <atarasu59(a)yahoo.co.in> > >Dear Lis-forum members, > >I am A.Thirunavukkarasu, from Thiagarajar College of Engineering, >Madurai-625 015. We are in the process of modernizing our library. > >I need supplier/s name and address for the following items. > > 1. Electronic / Magnetic security system > > 2. CCTV - surveillance sytem > > >I will be thankful if any one provides the supplier address for the above. > >Sincerely yours, > >A.Thirunavukkarasu, >Librarian >Thiagarajar College of Engineering >Madurai - 625 015 > >Phone: 0452-2482240 >email: atarasu59(a)yahoo.co.in >

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Library Security System - Supplier Address - Requested
by Mailing List Manager 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:30:03 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Alaguppillai Thirunavukkarasu" <atarasu59(a)yahoo.co.in> Dear Lis-forum members, I am A.Thirunavukkarasu, from Thiagarajar College of Engineering, Madurai-625 015. We are in the process of modernizing our library. I need supplier/s name and address for the following items. 1. Electronic / Magnetic security system 2. CCTV - surveillance sytem I will be thankful if any one provides the supplier address for the above. Sincerely yours, A.Thirunavukkarasu, Librarian Thiagarajar College of Engineering Madurai - 625 015 Phone: 0452-2482240 email: atarasu59(a)yahoo.co.in

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informaion please
by sangeeta gupta 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

dear members can anyone give inf. regarding membership fee and procedure of IASLIc and SIs , thanks dr sangita Gupta reader, univresity of jammu sangita_univ(a)rediffmail.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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robot librarian
by Ramesh C. Gaur 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

Apologies for cross-posting: It may be interesting to know; A group of robotics researchers at University Jaume I in Spain is working on a robot librarian which could deliver the promise of a helpful bot. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3897583.stm Best, Ramesh ################################################################## Ramesh C. Gaur, Ph.D. Librarian(Scientific Officer "E") Tata Institute of Fundamental Research (TIFR) ( Deemed University and National Centre of the Government of India for Nuclear Science and Mathematics) Homi Bhabha Road, Navy Nagar, Colaba, Mumbai-400 005 Phone: 022-22804545 Ext. 2230, Fax: 022-22804610, 22804611 URL: www.tifr.res.in\~library, E-mail: rcgaur(a)tifr.res.in, Alternate E-mail: rameshcgaur(a)rediffmail.com ##################################################################

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Programme on "ePublishing"
by Sree Kumar 24 Jul '04

24 Jul '04

Dear Colleagues: I am happy to inform you that IIM Kozhikode (http://www.iimk.ac.in) is organizing a three-day programme on ePublishing during September 6-8, 2004. The programme is targeted at publishers, information intermediaries, information science and IT professionals. The program details are available at "http://intranet.iimk.ac.in/epublishing.htm". The programme will impart the knowledge and skills (conceptual as well as technical components) that the information industry professionals need to position themselves at the cutting edge of technology and the profession. Eminent faculty from the fields of information science and information technology will be handling the sessions. I sincerely hope that you and your organization will find this programme useful and that you will nominate personnel to the programme. For any further information please feel free to contact me or our MDP Office (E-Mail : mdp(a)iimk.ac.in). A copy of the programme brochure shall be forwarded on request. Thanking you and looking forward to hearing from you, Sincerely, M.G. Sreekumar Coordinator, MDP on E-Publishing Indian Institute of Management Kozhikode Kunnamangalam P.O Kozhikode, Kerala, India-673 571 ----------------------------------------- Phone : +91 495 2803001/2 Ext. 140 Mobile : 9447152511 Fax : +91 495 2803010/11 Email : mgsree(a)iimk.ac.in Web : www.iimk.ac.in =========================================

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Re: RE: [LIS-Forum] 25,000 titles (books) in Enginering field
by Francis Jayakanth 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:54:58 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] vijaya kumara" <vijayakumar71(a)yahoo.co.in> Moderator's Note: ----------------- I feel we have had enough discussion on the above subject matter and in the interests of all the members we should stop further discussion on this topic. Members who want to express their comments on the this topic main write to "vijaya kumara <vijayakumar71(a)yahoo.co.in>' directly. May be Mr. Vijaya Kumar can come out with his strategy, based on his experience and the inputs he has received from LIS-Forum, as to how should an institution go about in procuring large number of *useful* books in one shot. --------note ends here--------- Stimulating to the mail of our Library professional Mr. Abhilash, SKCET-coimbatore on 25,000 titles of Engineering. As per you, the function of LIS forum is to solve the problems which are or which will be faced by junior/ senior library professionals, but it should not be used as a stage for critiscising the problem(s)/ request of any library professionals. We should always use LIS forum to give moral support or practical solution to over come the problem(s), which yields to use of LIS forum once again for the benefit of library and library user Mr. Abhilash points out that, "One of our respectable member tried to lay a partition line between Private College librarians and Public Librarians". But I didn't find any particition which layed by one of the member, but I find amalgamation of vegetables and books, vegetable market and library only. I think Mr. Abhilash and other library professionals will accept my response in the right way Regards Vijayakumar M

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International Conference - ICIM2005
by Mailing List Manager 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:48:32 +0530 From: anita pujari <anita.pujari(a)timesgroup.com> Dear Professionals, Indian Association of Special Libraries and Information Centres (IASLIC) was established in 1955 & is completing 50 years of its existence. To commemorate its Golden Jubilee year, IASLIC is hosting an International Conference on Information Management in a Knowledge Society{ICIM2005}. The city of Mumbai will be the venue of this International Conference scheduled for Feb.21-25, 2005. The complete details are available on http://www.icim2005.org/index.htm Whilst there is ample time to send in your registration for the conference, the last date for receipt of abstracts is July 31, 2004. This is a request for your participation by sharing your professional work, case studies & research by sending in your paper contributions before the said date. ICIM-2005 will focus on four themes, viz., Knowledge Society, Information Management, Knowledge Management and Digital Libraries and is expected to be just the place to be in, amongst prominent national & international experts & delegates, meeting-sharing-deliberating & learning. Hope you will be there too. warm regards Anita Pujari Convenor - Media & Publicity Committee ICIM2005 ----------------- Chief Manager TIMES ARCHIVES - Centre for Knowledge The Times Group Mumbai

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Re: RE: [LIS-Forum] 25,000 titles (books) in Enginering field
by Mailing List Manager 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:59:33 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] suresh kumar" <nsureshfcri(a)yahoo.co.in> Dear members, First of all, we should realise the fact that , we are all qulalified professionals and have minimum knowledge and common sense .What some of us are lacking is EXPERIENCE,INFRASTRUCTURE,AND FUNCTIONAL FREEDOM.To make this gap fill,presently we have a forum - LIS Forum- uttilise it maximum.Take all views in positive sense and learn something out of that or leave it. thanks- sureshkumar, Librarian, Fluid control Research Instittute. Palakkad- Kerala.nsureshfcri(a)yahoo.co.in

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RE: [LIS-Forum] 25,000 titles (books) in Enginering field
by Mailing List Manager 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:21:23 -0700 (PDT) From: gayathri sen <gayatsen(a)yahoo.com> Dear friends, Being in a private engineering college myself, I am fully aware of the problems we face at every step in our carreer. Hence, I gave the step by step procedure to get the collections. Our inputs at LIS-FORUM should always be supportive and helpful to our fellow professionals. At the same time informative, so that they can utilise the experience of senior professionals in some way, some time. Regards, Gayathri Sen, PESIT

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RE: [LIS-Forum] Number of engineering Ph.D graduates from India
by Mailing List Manager 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:03:32 +0000 From: madhu rajan <madhurajan(a)hotmail.com> Hi - The Institute of Applied Manpower Research, New Delhi might have some statistics that would be useful. Here is a link - http://www.education.nic.in/htmlweb/iamrstat.htm ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mailing List Manager <mailman(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: RE: [LIS-Forum] Number of engineering Ph.D graduates from India Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:35:44 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:54:58 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Dr Rajashekar might wish to contact Dr Rajesh Shukla of NCAER, New Delhi, who is collecting data on degrees awarded, funds invested, and distribution by gender (often data from different sources are conflicting!). Arun

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Re: RE: [LIS-Forum] 25,000 titles (books) in Enginering field
by Mailing List Manager 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

Date: 22 Jul 2004 12:20:02 -0000 From: Abhilash P P <abhi_skcet(a)rediffmail.com> Dear LIS Professional members I am not fully accepting Vijayakumar's opinion, because one of a important function of LIS Forum is to solve problems with mutual understanding and discussions, in such a situation positive criticism may occur that have to be accepted in its right sense. Then only one can understand the real situations of problems. One of our respectable member tried to lay a partition line between Private College librarians and Public Librarians. He should not forget that both are working for the satisfaction of readers or users of their own library. without spending conciously on collection development of library may create a dangerous situation, in which the function of library user service may change to storage service. I think all members will accept this opinion in their right sense thanks with best regards Abhilash SKCET- Coimbatore -----Original Message------- On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 Mailing List Manager wrote : >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:59:13 +0100 (BST) > From: "[iso-8859-1] vijaya kumara" <vijayakumar71(a)yahoo.co.in> > >Appreciating the Basudev Mohanty mail on 25,000 titles in Engineering field, > >There is a difference in the responsibility of the library professionals >who are working in the Public sector based college libraries and Private >sector based college libraries. Simply with out knowing the situatuion, >the others should not critise the mails of any other librarians. As they >have a taken good deciscion in taking the help of LIS forum to meet their >management or library requirement . If possible we should help morally or >practically other wise we should not critise. We should always motivate >the young professionals to utilize the LIS forum for the benefit of the >Library, library user and their Institution. > >Mr. Basudev Mohanty rightly points out that the "the books should not be >compared to the vegetables" As the books are product of the human >experience, knowledge in their filed. It may useful to layman or >professional in that field. > >Regards > >Vijayakumar M > >_______________________________________________ >LIS-Forum mailing list >LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum

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RE: [LIS-Forum] 25,000 titles (books) in Enginering field
by Mailing List Manager 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:59:13 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] vijaya kumara" <vijayakumar71(a)yahoo.co.in> Appreciating the Basudev Mohanty mail on 25,000 titles in Engineering field, There is a difference in the responsibility of the library professionals who are working in the Public sector based college libraries and Private sector based college libraries. Simply with out knowing the situatuion, the others should not critise the mails of any other librarians. As they have a taken good deciscion in taking the help of LIS forum to meet their management or library requirement . If possible we should help morally or practically other wise we should not critise. We should always motivate the young professionals to utilize the LIS forum for the benefit of the Library, library user and their Institution. Mr. Basudev Mohanty rightly points out that the "the books should not be compared to the vegetables" As the books are product of the human experience, knowledge in their filed. It may useful to layman or professional in that field. Regards Vijayakumar M

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11th Annual Ranganathan Memorial Lecture 2004
by Mailing List Manager 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:10:26 +0530 From: Dr. Arun K. Chakraborty <akc(a)bic.boseinst.ernet.in> INDIAN ASSOCIATION OF SPECIAL LIBRARIES AND INFORMATION CENTRES(I A S L I C)P- 291 C I T Scheme, No.6M, Kankurgachi, Kolkata – 700 054Tel : 2352 – 9651 / e- mail : iaslic(a)vsnl.net, url: http://www.iaslic.org N O T I C E The IASLIC cordially invites you to the 11th Annual Ranganathan Memorial Lecture 2004 at the Department of Library & Information Science, Jadavpur University, Kolkata on 26th July, 2004 at 5.30 P.M. Prof. B.P. Muklherjee, Former Head, Department of Library & Information Science, Jadavpur University, Kolkata will deliver on “Our Libraries are Laboratories”. Prof. Prabir Roy Chowdhury, former Head, Department of Library & Information Science, Jadavpur University, and President, Bengal Library Association, Kolkata will preside. You are cordially invited to attend the meeting along with your colleagues. (Dipak Kr. Nag) Hony. General Secretary, IASLIC Study Circle DR. ARUN KUMAR CHAKRABORTY LIBRARIAN BOSE INSTITUTE, KOLKATA, INDIA MAIN CAMPUS : 93/1 A.P.C. ROAD, KOLKATA 700 009 INDIA PH : 91-33-2350 2402/03, 6619,6702 FAX : 91-33-2350 6790 CENTENARY CAMPUS : P1/12 CIT SCHEME - VII-M, KOLKATA 700 054 INDIA PH : 91-33-2337 9544, 9416, 9219 FAX : 91-33-2334 3886 Ph (Res) : 33-2672 1192, 3892 E-MAIL : akc(a)bic.boseinst.ernet.in, arunchkr(a)vsnl.net.in, c_arunk(a)hotmail.com

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RE: [LIS-Forum] 25,000 titles (books) in Enginering field
by Mailing List Manager 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:38:53 +0630 (CCT) From: Yashwant G Kanade <kanade(a)ces.iisc.ernet.in> As far as discount is concerned, there are number of venders who are ready to give competetive discount based on publishers (the discount may range from 20% to 35%) as per my knowledge. Ask the vendors to give the list of required titles along with discount from various vendors. Regards Yashwant G Kanade CES Library, IISc

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Re: [LIS-Forum] Number of engineering Ph.D graduates from India
by Mailing List Manager 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:44:11 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] vijaya kumara" <vijayakumar71(a)yahoo.co.in> With reference to the Dr. Rajashekar's query on engineering PhD graduates from India, I would like advice to scan the ISTE News letter, they are providing list of PhD candidates just like in University news ISTE = Indian Society for Technical Educaiton Vijayakumar M, 080 - 28452324 Ext. 234 HOD - Library, library(a)mvjeducation.com MVJ College of Engineering, (ISO Certified Institute), Bangalore-560 067

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RE: [LIS-Forum] 25,000 titles (books) in Enginering field
by Mailing List Manager 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:12:09 +0530 From: Basudev Mohanty <basudev_mohanty(a)infosys.com> There is no reason at all to point out finger towards Vijayakumar's mail. What I think it is the decision of his Management only. Librarians should know the trick where is the present Business (as we are support/service department) & How to address it? I have seen in many cases that Librarians are not quite good enough to maintain Goodwill of their Management. I welcome Vijayakumar that he has taken the challenge and trying some innovative ways to full-fill his Management decision & if he can then he will be in goodwill of his Management. This is one of the major areas where Librarians should re-think as I have seen in the interview board for a library staff; Chief-Librarian(s) are ignored. On the other hands books can't be compared with vegetables. I do believe there is nothing like "Bad-Books". If there is a book published definitely there is some value addition to the students of concerned branch (may not be for the Researcher) in context to Vijayakumar's organization. In this context we should help-out Vijayakumar rather blaming him or his organization. I would like to suggest Vijayakumar that this is the best time to bargain for discount as he is going for block-procurement. Regards, Basudev Infosys, Bhubaneswar, Orissa -----Original Message----- From: lis-forum-bounces(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in [mailto:lis-forum-bounces@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in] On Behalf Of ++ Mukesh Anand ++ Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:53 PM To: Mailing List Manager; lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: Re: [LIS-Forum] 25,000 titles (books) in Enginering field Although I am a bookseller myself, I fully agree with Mr. Subbiah Arunachalam about this practice of buying books collection for library just to meet the deadlines. Book buying and development of Library Collection is a systematic and long drawn out method which should be followed scrupulously to have only relevant publications on the shelves. Mukesh Anand mukesh(a)monitorinfo.com

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RE: [LIS-Forum] Number of engineering Ph.D graduates from India
by Mailing List Manager 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:54:58 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Dr Rajashekar might wish to contact Dr Rajesh Shukla of NCAER, New Delhi, who is collecting data on degrees awarded, funds invested, and distribution by gender (often data from different sources are conflicting!). Arun

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RE: [LIS-Forum] RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access
by Mailing List Manager 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:32:45 +0530 From: sathya <sathya(a)informindia.co.in> Hi Arun Our Feb 2004 editorial in U&I focuses on Martin Saboo's bill and its implications - "OAI and the Copyright Battle" http://www.informindia.co.in/u&i/Feb2004/u&i.htm A QUESTION(that haunts me), to Forum members. What should be the OAI's approach to "Indexes and database Aggregations"? For example, "Chemical Abstracts" and "the Journal of American Chemical Society" are different species of knowledge-animal, of entirely different value. Please note, a new separate Act is enacted recently by US Government to copyright protect databases, while Saboo's bill seeks to take-out federally funded (substantially) research publications out of copyright. Sathya -------------------------------------------------- N V Sathyanarayana Informatics www.informindia.co.in --------------------------------------------------

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UK committee backs open access
by Mailing List Manager 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:03:49 +0530 From: Madhuresh <madhuresh_s(a)aurigene.com> This news item, appeared in The Scientist (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20040720/04), may be of your interest. Madhuresh UK committee backs open access Politicians urge the government to insist on free archiving of scientific papers | <mailto:stephen@thescientisteurope.com> By Stephen Pincock LONDON-Britain should insist that government-funded researchers deposit a copy of their scientific papers in an electronic archive that can be accessed for free online, an influential committee of politicians said Tuesday (July 20). The House of Commons Science and Technology Committee <http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/science_and_technolog y_committee.cfm> has been investigating <http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20040310/05/> science publishing most of this year. Its deliberations drew on an ongoing debate over "open access" to research, whose advocates say that the output from scientific research should be available free of charge. "We have recommended that the UK government fund the establishment of an interlinked network of institutional repositories on which all research articles originating in the UK should be deposited and can be read for free," the committee's report, released today, states. "In order to ensure that the repositories are well populated, we have recommended that research councils mandate their funded researchers to deposit copies of all their articles in this way." The committee suggests that the government should appoint a central body to oversee the implementation of repositories and help with their setting up. The UK government has to respond to the committee's report and is expected to do so within 2 months. A spokesperson for the Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council (BBSRC) told The Scientist that the council wants to encourage data to be available as readily as possible, while ensuring that the quality of scientific publications is maintained. "BBSRC is working with its sister research councils under the coordination of Research Councils UK <http://www.rcuk.ac.uk> (RCUK) to continue to develop our policy for addressing the needs of this rapidly evolving area," the spokesperson said. The members of the committee stop short giving their full support to open-access publishing, in which the author pays to publish instead of the reader paying a fee for access. The United Kingdom has too little experience of this model to know what effect it would have, the politicians said. Nevertheless, they recommended that the research councils make funds available so researchers can publish in such journals if they want. Jan Velterop, publisher of BioMedCentral, a for-profit publisher of open-access journals, called the report an important milestone in the open-access movement. (BioMedCentral is a partner with The Scientist.) "The overall report... is really a ringing endorsement of the whole concept of open access to scientific material," Velterop said. "It definitely is a major development. I even think that with hindsight, we may look back on this as a turning point." Peter Suber, an open-access <http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20040427/05/> advocate at Earlham College in Richmond, Ind., said he was delighted that the report "doesn't merely endorse open access, but calls for a national commitment to open access-encompassing all UK higher education institutions, the British Library, the research councils, the government funding agencies, and government policymakers."=20 "The report recommends many steps, but properly focuses on the one step that will do the most good: asking government funding agencies to put an open-access condition on research grants and requiring grantees to deposit the full-text articles based on funded research in open-access repositories," Suber told The Scientist. Most scientific research is currently published in journals that charge for access, although many allow their authors to self-archive papers. In June, Elsevier <http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authored_newsitem.cws_home/companynews 05_00145> , one of the biggest science publishers, made this move.=20 But this week, Arie Jongejan, chief executive officer of Science and Technology for Elsevier, said some of the concerns expressed in the report about government policy were overstated. "We are doubtful that the government will necessarily agree to recommendations made by the report," he said. The committee also urged the United Kingdom to take an international role as a proponent for change in scientific publishing. In response, Graham Taylor, director of Academic Publishing at the Publishers Association, said the UK industry was already a center of excellence for scientific publishing. "We look forward to engaging with government and its agencies on the issues that the committee has raised in order to ensure an efficient and sustainable strategy for the future," he said. Just last week, the US House of Representatives Appropriations Committee also recommended that the National Institutes for Health (NIH) make research it funds freely available. In a report, the committee called on NIH to offer access to authors' final manuscripts and supplemental materials via <http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/> PubMed Central 6 months after publication. If the grantee used NIH funds to pay any publication charges, free access would be immediate. Taken together, these political recommendations suggest an international consensus is growing in support of open access, said Michael B. Eisen, cofounder of open-access publisher Public Library of Science.=20 "The report from the House of Commons committee and the bill passed by the US House committee are a call to action. Both have made clear the need for better access to publicly funded scientific works, and both have offered concrete mechanisms for achieving it," Eisen said in a statement. Links for this article Science and Technology Committee http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/science_and_t <http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/science_and_technolog y_committee.cfm> echnology_committee.cfm=20 C. Brahic, "UK hears open access evidence," The Scientist, March 10, 2004. http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20040310/05/=20 Research Councils UK http://www.rcuk.ac.uk=20 A. McCook, "Open-access journals rank well," The Scientist, April 27, 2004. http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20040427/05/=20 "Elsevier further liberalizes copyright for authors," Elsevier company news, June 3, 2004. http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authored_newsitem.cws_home/com <http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authored_newsitem.cws_home/companynews 05_00145> panynews05_00145=20 PubMed Central http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/=20 =20 Madhuresh Singhal Aurigene Discovery Technologies Limited, Electronic City, phase II, Hosur Road, Bangalore 560100 Phone 28521314-16 Ext.- 422 Mobile 98861 82822 E-mail: madhureshsinghal(a)yahoo.com=20 http://nettalk2.tripod.com/=20

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Directorate of Library Services, Govt. of WB
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21 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:55:13 +0530 From: Madhuresh <madhuresh_s(a)aurigene.com> Dear All, NIC has recently hosted one website of Directorate of Library Services, Govt. of West Bengal, which can be accessed at http://banglargranthagar.nic.in/ The website provides the information about the Rare Books, Old Libraries, Staff Pattern, Library Distribution, Budget Allocation, Library Services and Activities, List of Public and aided libraries etc. in West Bengal. This could be a useful source. It would be wonderful if such websites can be hosted for all states in India. Madhuresh Singhal Aurigene Discovery Technologies Limited, Electronic City, phase II, Hosur Road, Bangalore 560100 Phone 28521314-16 Ext.- 422 Mobile 98861 82822 E-mail: madhureshsinghal(a)yahoo.com=20 http://nettalk2.tripod.com/=20

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International CALIBER-2005: Call for Papers
by JK Vijayakumar 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

Dear Collegues, Website for International CALIBER-2005 is available at http://web.inflibnet.ac.in/caliber2005/inflibnet.jsp CALIBER (Convention on Automation of Libraries in Education and Research Institutions) is an international convention, organized every year by INFLIBNET Centre in different parts of India in collaboration with different universities. This is the premier convention in India which provides a unique forum to the library and information professionals, teachers, IT professionals, consultants and users involved in automation and networking of libraries as well as information providers to come together and interact on the subjects of mutual interest. The twelfth CALIBER in the series, for the year 2005, has been themed as "Multilingual Computing and Information Management in Digital Networked Environment" and will be hosted by Cochin University of Science and Technology, Kochi during February 2-4, 2005. The official language of the convention will be English. Convention Highlights Diverse topics and formats The convention features invited talks and contributed papers that provide coverage of standards, best practices, and recent advances in the area of multilingual computing and digital information management. Emphasis on current needs Multilingual computing and localization of the library resources around the world and its management will be addressed in several sessions as well as in the invited talks from the professionals devoted to the concerned areas. Exhibitions showcase and commercial presentations A forum that highlights the latest advances in language services, tools and technology in addition to management of the resources. CALL FOR PAPERS International CALIBER 2005 invites contributed papers and case studies on various aspects of the conference theme Multilingual Computing and Information Management in Digital Networked Environment and listed below sub-themes of the conference: Multilingual Computing and Natural Language Processing Multilingual Computing- Encoding issues, Scripts, Fonts. Character recognition and other challenges, Natural Language Processing, Multilingual Indexing Tool, Multilingual and Multimedia Access Content Management and Information Management Content Structuring and XML- Web Cataloguing, Metadata, Dublin Core, EAD, TEI, XML, Crosswalk, Automatic Classification, Document Clustering, Methodologies, Techniques, Indexing, Retrieval, Content Management, Multimedia Digital Information Processing and Interoperability Archiving, Digitization, Preservation, Information Retrieval, Digital Library Architecture, System Scalability, Systems Design, Distributed solutions, WebServices and Interoperability - Agents related to digital Information, Crossdomain searching, Browsing, Metasearch, OpenURL Framework OAI-PMH. Digital Libraries and Services Digital Library Development Issues, Digital Library Services, Digital Library and E-learning, Digital Library Applications. Subject Gateways, Library Portals, Digital Library Consortia, Wide area and high-speed Networks. Papers typed in MS-Word can be sent as attachment to INFLIBNET directly through E-Mail or in a floppy by post. The length of the paper should normally be within 5000 words. Papers should contain full name and affiliations with e-mail of author(s), an abstract, author biography and references properly cited in the text of article. The paper should neither be published anywhere nor should have been kept under consideration for publication elsewhere and the author should agree to transfer the copyright to the conference organisers. A passport size photograph(s) of author(s) has to be submitted with the paper. Detailed Guidelines and Editorial policy for CALIBER 2005 are available in the conference website http://web.inflibnet.ac.in/caliber2005/callforpapers.jsp Important dates Receipt of Full Papers: November 30, 2004 Intimation to Authors: December 15, 2004 Last Date for Registration: January 7, 2005 Convention Dates: February 2-4, 2005 Contacts For Paper Submission Dr. T.A.V. Murthy Editor-in-Chief Director INFLIBNET Centre (An IUC of UGC) Gujarat University Campus PB 4116, Navrangpura Ahmedabad - 380 009, (Gujarat) India Phone: +91-79-26304695/8528/5971/0002 Fax: +91-79-26300990/26307816 E-Mail: tav(a)inflibnet.ac.in or caliber2005(a)inflibnet.ac.in Registration and Accomodation Dr. (Mrs.) M.D. Baby Organizing Secretary, CALIBER-2005 Librarian Cochin University of Science & Technology, Cochin University P.O. Kochi - 682 022, (Kerala) India Phone: +91-484-2577595 E-mail: caliber2005(a)cusat.ac.in or ul(a)cusat.ac.in Queries Can Also be Sent to Mr. S.M. Salgar Chairman, Caliber-2005, Scientist -G, INFLIBNET Centre (An IUC of UGC) Gujarat University Campus PB 4116, Navrangpura Ahmedabad - 380 009, (Gujarat) India Phone: +91-79-26304695/8528/5971/0002 Fax: +91-79-26300990/26307816 E-Mail: salgar(a)inflibnet.ac.in For more details on International CALIBER-2005 visit http://web.inflibnet.ac.in/caliber2005/inflibnet.jsp __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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House of Commons S&T Committee Press Release on OA
by Mailing List Manager 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:05:45 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Friends: Here is the press release from the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee on the subject "SCIENTIF PUBLICATIONS: FREE FOR ALL? Prof. Balaram might wish to comment editorially in Current Science. SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE HOUSE OF COMMONS PRESS NOTICE Committee Office, House of Commons, No. 7 Millbank, London SW1P 3JA Tel. Nos. 020 7219 2793-2794 (Fax. No. - 0896) email: scitechcom(a)parliament.uk No. 63 - Session 2003-20 20 July 2004 PUBLICATION OF REPORT SCIENTIFIC PUBLICATIONS: FREE FOR ALL? The Science and Technology Committee today publishes its Tenth Report of Session 2003-04, Scientific Publications: Free for all? (HC 399-I). The Committee concludes that the current model for scientific publishing is unsatisfactory. An increase in the volume of research output, rising prices and static library budgets mean that libraries are struggling to purchase subscriptions to all the scientific journals needed by their users. The Report recommends that all UK higher education institutions establish institutional repositories on which their published output can be stored and from which it can be read, free of charge, online. It also recommends that Research Councils and other Government funders mandate their funded researchers to deposit a copy of all of their articles in this way. The Committee concludes that the creation of institutional repositories is an important first step towards a more radical change in the way that scientific papers are published. Early indications suggest that the author-pays publishing model could be viable and the Committee remains unconvinced by many of the arguments mounted against it. Nonetheless, this Report concludes that further experimentation is necessary, particularly to establish the impact that a change of publishing models would have on learned societies and in respect of the "free rider" problem. In order to encourage such experimentation the Report recommends that the Research Councils each establish a fund to which their funded researchers can apply should they wish to pay to publish. The Report criticises the UK Government for failing to respond to issues surrounding scientific publications in a coherent manner. The Committee is not convinced that it would be ready to deal with any changes to the publishing model and calls for the formulation of a strategy as a matter of urgency. The preservation of digital material is an expensive process that poses a significant technical challenge. The Report recommends that the British Library receives sufficient funding to enable it to carry out this work. Government needs to start work on new regulations for the legal deposit of non-print publications immediately. The market for scientific publications is international. The UK cannot act alone. For this reason the Committee recommends that the UK Government act as a proponent for change on the international stage and lead by example. This will ultimately benefit researchers across the globe. Chairman of the Committee, Dr Ian Gibson, said "Publishers are feathering their nests with big profits whilst scientific journals are becoming less and less affordable. Government has its head in the sand: it's about time that it landed in the in-tray of the Ministers in question. Instead of bashing all the alternatives, commercial publishers should be asked to justify the current publishing process they use. The Open Access movement needs to iron out the teething problems with the author-pays model. It's public money that oils the cogs of the publishing machine and we want to make sure that it's well spent." Hard copies of the Report can be obtained from TSO outlets and from the Parliamentary Bookshop, 12 Bridge Street, Parliament Square, London SW1A 2JX (020 7219 3890) by quoting HC 399-I. The text of the Report will also be available via the Committee=s internet homepage: www.parliament.uk/commons/selcom/s&thome.htm <http://mail.yahoo.com/config/login?/www.parliament.uk/commons/selcom/s%26th ome.htm> Further information on the work of the Committee can be obtained from Committee staff on 020 7219 2793/4. Previous press notices and publications are available on our website. Notes for Editors 1. Under the terms of Standing Order No. 152 the Committee is empowered to examine the "expenditure, policy and administration of the Office of Science and Technology and its associated public bodies". The Committee was appointed on 12 November 2001. 2. The Committee's inquiry was announced on 10 December 2003 in Press Notice 3 of Session 2003-04. 3. The Committee took evidence from Blackwell Publishing, John Wiley & Sons, Nature Publishing Group and Reed Elsevier on 1 March 2004; Oxford University Press, the Institute of Physics Publishing, the Association of Learned and Professional Society Publishers, BioMed Central, Public Library of Science and Axiope on 8 March 2004; the British Library, the Joint Information Systems Committee, Cambridge University Library, the University of Hertfordshire and a panel of academics on 21 April 2004; and the Department of Trade and Industry/the Office of Science and Technology, the Higher Education Funding Council for England and Research Councils UK on 5 May 2004.

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RE: The Sabo Bill and Open Access
by Mailing List Manager 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:54:27 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Friends: Here is an interview with Robert Terry, Senior Policy Advisor at the Wellcome Trust, UK. It appeared in the latest issue of Open Access Now, a part of The Scientist. I thought that this should be read widely in India. Regards. Arun ------------------ http://www.biomedcentral.com/openaccess/archive/?page=features&issue=18 Wellcome support for Open Access Funding bodies play a major role in the Open Access debate as they provide the money that pays for scientific research. Funders have the right to influence how their money is spent and how research results are disseminated. The Wellcome Trust is the UK's leading biomedical charity, spending over �400 million (over US$700 million) each year on research. Robert Terry, Senior Policy Advisor at the Wellcome Trust, talked to Open Access Now about why the Trust supports Open Access. The Wellcome Trust spends a lot of money supporting biomedical research in the UK and around the globe. Over the next five years the Trust expects to fund top-quality research to the tune of �2 billion (around US$3.6 billion). It seems only reasonable that the Trust be interested in how scientific findings are published and shared. To guide its decision-making the Trust commissioned two studies of the economics of scientific publishing. The results were so compelling that the Trust issued a position statement (see Open Access Now, November 3, 2003 <http://www.biomedcentral.com/openaccess/news/?issue=8>) expressing unequivocal support for Open Access models. "The Wellcome Trust supports open and unrestricted access to the published output of research, including the open access model, as a fundamental part of its charitable mission and a public benefit to be encouraged wherever possible," said the statement. Robert Terry is the Senior Policy Advisor in the Strategic Planning and Policy Unit of the Wellcome Trust. "The unit is responsible for horizon scanning, policy and strategy on behalf of the Trust," explains Terry. As well as directly funding researchers, the Trust runs two libraries; one is a history of medicine library and the other is an information service for the general public. "The advisory committee of these libraries first raised the question of Open Access a few years ago. I led a small in-house group that began to research the issue. It became clear that one of the things that we didn't understand (and we wondered whether other people understood or not) was the real economics of the market." "In fact researchers on the whole are not directly paying for anything. There are really very few people in the biomedical research area that are paying for their own research. It's actually funders like ourselves and the research councils who are paying," Terry reminds us. "The funding bodies are the last players to get involved in Open Access. There needs to be a really significant step in raising consciousness among the funders, to see whether or not we can get things to change." The economics of publishing The Trust commissioned SQW, an economic and management consultancy company, to investigate the scientific publishing sector. In September 2003, the Trust published the results in a report entitled 'An Economic Analysis of Scientific Research Publishing <http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/1/awtpubrepeas.html>'. Terry agrees that many people had begun to examine these issues, but the report provided an in-depth insight into how the economics of the scientific publishing industry influence the way in which scientific knowledge is disseminated. "I think that it was perhaps the first time that it had been pulled together in quite that way," says Terry. "For someone coming to this topic for the first time it pulls everything together in a fairly straightforward way. The report was certainly highly influential in the Trust. It encouraged the Trust to come out and say that we now believe in Open Access publication." "When you look at it from an economic point of view it is clear that you have a failing market," explains Terry. "Researchers give away their research data free to journals that then retain copyright. Then researchers and the users of that information obtain the information via libraries. So it is libraries that are paying the cost of re-accessing that information once it has been peer-reviewed and published. What we end up with is a very dysfunctional market," he notes. "The producers and the consumers are completely separated from any market forces, hence subscriptions can rise year on year and the people who are demanding the product are more or less oblivious. When you review the last ten years you come to fairly shocking figures of rises of 200% in journal subscription prices and the realization that certain commercial publishers are making large profits. And that is money that is leaving the system. It's going to shareholders or to learned societies. As a funder, we have to start thinking about how money that we are pumping into the system is leaving the system for a completely different purpose from our mission. That's really what started to drive us. So we began to consider what the alternatives are and how this could be organized in a much better way." ------------------------ "As a funder, we have to start thinking about how money that we are pumping into the system is leaving the system for a completely different purpose from our mission." Robert Terry ------------------------ "We published our statement to say that we think that the system is not working well. It became clear to us that the dissemination of research is actually a research cost and that by delegating that activity to others (journals and their publishers) we have actually got locked into a very inefficient system. We felt that there must be better ways to share information and make the Internet as efficient as possible in the dissemination of research and increasing knowledge." Open Access saves money The Wellcome Trust committed itself to paying the costs of Open Access publishing and encouraging researchers to deposit their work in open archives. But Terry's group wanted to have a better understanding of the true costs involved in Open Access publishing and the alternative publishing models, so they commissioned a second study by SQW. "The second study basically filled in another gap in the evidence base," recalls Terry. "People were questioning whether authors-pays models (though in reality they are 'funder-pays' models) are efficient, economical and commercially viable. They expressed concern about the sustainability of these models. That's why we commissioned the second report which is about the actual costs involved in peer-reviewing research papers, managing manuscripts and dissemination on the Internet." The second Wellcome report 'Costs and Business Models in Scientific Research Publishing <http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/1/awtpubrepcos.html>' was published in April 2004. "I think that it was really interesting because we tried as much as possible to talk to commercial publishers, learned society publishers and Open Access publishers," says Terry. The report provides evidence that an author-pays model offers a viable alternative to subscription journals. The Trust concluded that "Open Access publishing should be able to deliver high-quality, peer-reviewed research at a cost that is significantly less than the traditional model while bringing with it a number of additional benefits." The report concluded that savings of up to 30% might be achieved. The research shows that publishing a research article in the traditional way costs between �800 and �1,500 (between US$1440 and US$2700). Under Open Access the cost is about 70% of that, at �550 to �1,100. "I feel fairly confident with what we have come up with," says Terry. "Nobody has actually disputed the figures; they might disagree with the conclusions, but they haven't disputed the figures. The savings could even be more, because the costs that we identified were the 'first-copy' costs." "If we move to an Open Access system it allows for interesting other models to start being used. For example, you might think about introducing a submission fee to cover the costs of peer review. That would suddenly reduce the publication costs down to around US$500-600 by having a very small submission charge." The idea is that a submission charge would be paid by authors of all articles that are peer-reviewed, rather than the situation at present where the only charges that are paid are from authors whose work is eventually published - so they, in effect subsidize the cost of rejecting articles. Terry reminds us that currently many journals have page charges and extra charges for color figures. "It seems to have been forgotten, or at least it is never mentioned by the commercial publishers, that authors have been paying page charges for years and these are often much higher figures than are talked about for Open Access." The need for increased advocacy "The rationale for doing these two studies was to move the whole debate away from the economic issues," says Terry. "In a sense, the economics don't matter in that it should be viable to move towards another system - and that system should be more efficient and less expensive. And on top of all that you get all the fantastic benefits that Open Access should allow: far wider dissemination, higher impact in terms of people reading and citing your work, and reducing the barriers to research. These barriers and publisher restrictions are a real impediment to science and the way that science needs to be done. The reports certainly got a lot of media attention. They brought the issue right into the broadsheets and the financial newspapers. So, I think that they helped to get people seriously engaged in the debate and thinking about viable alternative models." Terry dismisses many of the myths being voiced by the opponents of Open Access. "Some argue that if the system isn't broken don't fix it: we would argue that the system is broken," says Terry. "Another way to look at it is that it's an engine running on two cylinders as opposed to six - it still gets you along the road, but is it really working efficiently or taking you to the all places that you want to go. You have to ask yourself the question - what sort of money is leaving the system to support that inefficiency." Terry suggests that learned societies have to think harder about their goals. "Is making a surplus from the dissemination of research still a justified activity when it might actually be an impediment to research itself? I think that some of the learned societies have to start thinking about what their purpose is and who they serve." ---------------- "Another way to look at it is that it's an engine running on two cylinders as opposed to six: it still gets you along the road, but is it really working efficiently or taking you to the all places that you want to go?" Robert Terry --------------- "There's a lot of talk about initiatives such as HINARI, but researchers in developing countries are still paying higher subscription fees than their American counterparts," says Terry. (HINARI is an initiative to provide free, or low-cost, access to major biomedical journals to public institutions in developing countries; see Open Access Now 19 January 2004 <http://www.biomedcentral.com/openaccess/www/?issue=12>.) "While Open Access won't immediately make life any easier, because of the digital divide, I think that in time it will help the system because true Open Access puts no restrictions on reproduction. Someone can download various papers, or even a whole journal if they want to, print it up and distribute if for no charge or for a small distribution charge. There are all sorts of different models that could be used. Open Access systems offer a true market that will allow all sorts of different experiments to come and go, and fail or succeed, and hopefully lead to greater efficiency in the system." "Stimulating the debate was one of the first things we wanted to do and I think we can confidently say that we have done that," remarks Terry. The Trust is eagerly awaiting the report of the UK House of Commons Committee Inquiry <http://www.biomedcentral.com/openaccess/inquiry/>. "I would like to think that the weight of arguments is so conclusive - certainly they have been to us - that the Committee will make certain recommendations to the government about Open Access being better for public money. Over 90% of the research that goes on in the universities in this country is funded either from government or from the charity sector. But if you are just an ordinary member of the public you cannot read it, unless you pay for it. I think that the government will find it difficult to come down in favor of one business model or another. But they could certainly be looking at how best to use what's available to disseminate publicly funded research." Terry says that the Trust is unlikely to insist that its fundees publish exclusively in Open Access journals - at least at this stage. "Whist I can see the strong arguments for that, one of the things that we are reluctant to do is to force researchers down a path too early and create unnecessary antagonism. If Open Access delivers as many benefits as we think it should, then researchers should be choosing it willingly. I think we need more advocacy work with our own stakeholders. We are looking at how to communicate to the people who take our grants about the benefits of Open Access. Ultimately that's where the argument has to be won. Researchers themselves must be convinced that this is in their best interests." Terry feels that repositories are also an effective way to disseminate science. While the Trust might consider building its own repository, Terry is hoping that the House of Commons Committee may recommend the creation of a national repository for all UK research. "That could be done in all sorts of ways. It could be something that was immediate, that anyone who had received public money would have to place their papers there, or it could be after three months or after six months or whatever. There are all sorts of steps that could be taken. That would be a positive step forward and we would be supportive of such a national open archive." The Wellcome Trust has provided a leading example for other funding bodies to follow. The Trust is motivated by its role in funding top quality research and is committed to making sure that the results of that research can be read by everyone. The Trust has emphasized that it considers the costs of research dissemination to be part of the costs of research. "Our analysis suggests that we are really only looking at 1-2% of standard research costs," says Terry. "I think that's a small price to pay for the increase in impact, citations, and so on. It might mean that we fund less research. But a 1-2% decrease in volume may not be a bad thing. What we are interested in is high quality research that has a real impact, not the numbers of papers. If one of our �5 million grants produces only one paper but that paper is really hugely significant then I think that we would be happy. And we would want it to be completely open and freely accessible." <http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/publications>

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