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Re: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 36
by Krishnamurthy M 26 May '06

26 May '06

Here is some of the input from me about OA and OSS: Open Access: Open access, Open Source software, digital libraries are three concepts that have been receiving increased attention in the digital library world. Open access is to scholarly information scholars, and publishes over the last few years. Open access basically calls for scholarly publication to be made free available to libraries and end users. Digital libraries is an integrated set of services for capturing, cataloguing, storing, searching, protecting, and retrieving information, which provide coherent organization and convenient access to typically large amounts of digital information. All three of these concepts are important to libraries individually and they can be leveraged simultaneously. Willinski (2003 ) identified nine flavors of open access. The flavors are : 1.E-prit archive (authors self-archive-pre-or post prints), 2. un qualified (immediate and full open access publication of a journal, 3. dual mode (both-print subscription and open access version of a journal are offered, 4. delayed open access (open access in available after a certain period of time, 5. author free ( authors pay a fee to support open access, 6. partial open access(some articles from a journal are available via open access, 7. per-capita (open access is made available to countries based on per-capita income, 8.abstract (open access available to task of content /abstract 9. co-op ( institutional members support open access journals). Open access helps to ensure long-term access to scholarly articles. Unlike articles that are licensed in traditional article databases, libraries and other can create local copies and repositories of these resources. GNU web site offers the following defintion of OSS: The freedom to run the program, for any purpse (freedom 0). Thre freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs . Access to the source code is a precondition for this. The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits. Access to the source code is precondition for this. (www.gnu.org/philosophy/free.sw.html) M.Krishnamurthy -- Dr.M.Krishnamurthy Librarian Indian Statistical Institute 8th Mile Mysore Road R.V.C.E. Post Bangalore 560059 Ph:91-80-8483002/3/4/4 Fax: 91-80-8484265

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RE: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 34
by LS Venkatesh 26 May '06

26 May '06

Dear friends: While on the subject of OA journals, I thought that those who are interested in this topic will find the white paper on "The Impact of Open Access Journals" by Thomson Scientific very useful. The whitepaper, though published in 2004, is available at the following link and could give some very interesting insight into the evolution of OA journals, the trends, impact factor of OA journals and importantly, the lead from Asia Pacific, contrary to usual western dominance. http://www.thomsonscientific.com/media/presentrep/essayspdf/openaccesscitat… Hope you will find it useful. Regards, Venkatesh ----------- Venkatesh L S General Manager Edutech India Pvt Ltd 8, Khader Nawaz Khan Road Chennai 600 006, India Tel: +91 44 28330999 Fax: +91 44 28331777 GSM: + 91 98403 21214 www.edutechindia.com "Enhancing knowledge and skills for success, lifelong." -----Original Message----- From: lis-forum-bounces(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in [mailto:lis-forum-bounces@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in] On Behalf Of lis-forum-request(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:14 PM To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 34 Send LIS-Forum mailing list submissions to lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to lis-forum-request(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in You can reach the person managing the list at lis-forum-owner(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of LIS-Forum digest..." Today's Topics: 1. REQUEST- DIGITAL LIBRARY PROJECT (suruli nathi) 2. Fw: Welcome to the Discussion (Subbiah Arunachalam) 3. Re: Open Access Journals? (Sukhdev Singh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:48:54 -0700 (PDT) From: suruli nathi <surulinathi_iisc(a)yahoo.com> Subject: [LIS-Forum] REQUEST- DIGITAL LIBRARY PROJECT To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Message-ID: <20060525044854.11910.qmail(a)web53212.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear friends From: "Manimekalai A" <a.manimeka...(a)gmail.com> To: lisnetwork(a)googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:51:22 +0530 Subject: REQUEST- DIGITAL LIBRARY PROJECT Dear Friends, I am doing my PhD work on " Digital Library Projects" . I do like to have the email ID of the Co- Ordinators who are doing the Digital Library Projects to collect some information for my work. Kindly comforward to help me by intimating the Name of the Project and the co ordinator's email ID. Expecting your valuable information thanks & regards, manimekalai a.manimeka...(a)gmail.com -- A.Manimekalai Asst. Librarian, Faculty of Engg. & Tech. Library, Annamalai University Annamalainagar- 608 002. Tamilnadu- INDIA Ph: (o) 04144-239175 Ph: (R)04144-228230 --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

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Casting away the NET
by raja ram 26 May '06

26 May '06

Casting away the NET The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their reservations about this development. It is now official. The University Grants Commission (UGC) has declared that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts for identifying potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral degree. On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report of the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry of Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to revamp the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, has been accepted in principle. Report recommendation The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate courses and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching postgraduate courses. This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in Kerala. Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw this announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is pretty much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality teachers are to be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges. Dissenting voices "This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of mediocrity as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in this university anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate examination can sign up for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. There is no such thing as turning down a thesis. There is no evaluation by a foreign expert." "Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the All Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC has always been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions from the NET. "In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who can be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda in this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for some subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption needs to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders and Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for quality teaching," he says. Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move of the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the country who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are seeking to get a Ph.D. Flawed decision There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and broad-base the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K. Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of linking M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed. "A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure you should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. The method adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good in this respect. Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is going to be a spurt in the number of M.Phils. being offered by colleges. In no time there will also be M.Phil. in the distance education mode. Then all those people are going to try and become teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future the NET - in another form - becomes compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks. Broad-basing NET Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says the need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to do away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of having a nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be broad-based so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time the Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows for trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the NET for English can also teach such subjects as communicative English, linguistics or journalism. Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if the Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be done away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide debate among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr. Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of thousands of students." G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala. --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download now Casting away the NET The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their reservations about this development. It is now official. The University Grants Commission (UGC) has declared that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts for identifying potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral degree. On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report of the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry of Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to revamp the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, has been accepted in principle. Report recommendation The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate courses and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching postgraduate courses. This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in Kerala. Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw this announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is pretty much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality teachers are to be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges. Dissenting voices "This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of Commerce, University of Kerala . "It will open the floodgates of mediocrity as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in this university anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate examination can sign up for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. There is no such thing as turning down a thesis. There is no evaluation by a foreign expert." "Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the All Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC has always been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions from the NET. "In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who can be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda in this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for some subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption needs to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders and Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for quality teaching," he says. Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move of the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the country who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are seeking to get a Ph.D. Flawed decision There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and broad-base the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K. Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of linking M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed. "A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure you should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. The method adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good in this respect. Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is going to be a spurt in the number of M.Phils. being offered by colleges. In no time there will also be M.Phil. in the distance education mode. Then all those people are going to try and become teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future the NET - in another form - becomes compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks. Broad-basing NET Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says the need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to do away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of having a nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be broad-based so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam. Right from the time the Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows for trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the NET for English can also teach such subjects as communicative English, linguistics or journalism. Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if the Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be done away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide debate among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr. Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of thousands of students." G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/in/mailanswersshare/*http://in.answers.yahoo.co… Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! 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Workshop on E-Resources and IPR issues 14-16 June 2006
by D Jotwani 26 May '06

26 May '06

Dear All The Central Library, IIT Bombay shall be organizing a 3-days Training Workshop on e-Resources and IPR Issues on 14-16 June 2006. The main objective of the workshop is to expose participants to the relevance of IPR issues vis-a-vis usage of e-resources. Thanks to the success of the Consortia model of acquisition, libraries have been able to provide access to several thousands e-books and journals to their users without the constraints of space and time. While applications of Information and Communication Technologies and Consortia approach have benefited large number of libraries and their users, it has added responsibilities to ensure that the usage is made within the framework of Intellectual Property Rights and the interests of the creators of information/knowledge are protected. Library and information professionals providing e-resources-based information services have important role to play in this area and this workshop will provide them with a broader view of the implications of IPR while discharging their responsibilities and serving their users. Only 30-35 participants, on first-come-first-served basis, will be taken for the course from IITs, IISc, NITs, other engineering colleges, scientific and technical institutions. Preference will be given to those from INDEST/AICTE Consortium participating institutions. Two participants from the consortium participating institutes will be provided free registration. Other participants will be charged Rs 1000-/ as registration fee which includes workshop kit, hostel accommodation, working lunch, and tea/coffee during sessions. TA/DA will have to be borne by the participants or their sponsoring organizations. Participants desiring registration fee concession may kindly submit their application thru parent organization. For more details please visit : http://www.library.iitb.ac.in/news/workshop.pdf -- D. Jotwani Librarian Indian Institute of Technology Bombay Powai, Mumbai 400076 Phone 91-22-25768920, 91-22-25720227

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RANGANATHAN RESEARCH CIRCLE monthly Meeting 27th May 2006
by Swapan Patra 26 May '06

26 May '06

The 121st Monthly Meeting of RRC will be held on on 27th May, 2006 (4th Saturday) at 10.00 hrs. *Venue : NASSDOC, 35 Firoze Shah Road (near Mandi House)* *New Delhi-110001* * * *Topic : Advances in Digital Library* * * *Speaker : Ms. Tulika Pandey* *Additional Director,* *Department of Information Technology, New Delhi* * * The 121st Monthly Meeting of RRC will be held on on 27th May, 2006 (4th Saturday) at 10.00 hrs. Venue : NASSDOC, 35 Firoze Shah Road (near Mandi House) New Delhi-110001 Topic : Advances in Digital Library Speaker : Ms. Tulika Pandey Additional Director, Department of Information Technology, New Delhi

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Re: [LIS-Forum] NET/SET stop discussion do action
by Vijay Raghav Tiwari 25 May '06

25 May '06

On Wed, 24 May 2006 Monali Panchbhai wrote : >Hi, >Dear Monali I think you have been the first to say such words that NET/SLET candidates are below standards. I dont know how much you know about all who have cleared this examination. But certainly I feel commenting about any one has become very easy, because it does not refelct on any one's face. Next thing you said about the librarian's and library's reference by the students. I would say that the references about both can never be so positive because of the following reasons: 1. Library impose rules, students dont want to follow any rules. 2. Librarian does not have any direct role in their markings at all as teacher have, may be in practicals or sessional markings. 3. Losses in the library do have a direct bearing on the librarian, hence he or she has to be more carefull about the use of the library. 4. Comments you can hear about any teacher too who does not have direct bearing on their marking/grading system. Please do not take comments about any one that so and so is below standard. Any exam which was difficult and was devised so many experts , how it can be useless? It is the irony in our country that opposition is made normally for opposition sake and sometimes by self interests too. Please think again while commenting on any one straight. regards vrt >I do not know who told my respected friends that those who have cleared NET / SET have opted standards and quality? Its been observed that, just because of NET and / or SET clearance few undeserved candidates gets job. There are professionals who hold certificates in NET / SET but can not build a good image of profession in society, do not have enthusiasm in teaching and / or servicing the need of users. Even students can clearly mark their negative qualities. Tell me how many college going students actually say some good things about their librarian? Everyone makes faces when the topic of library or librarian comes into discussion. One can easily observe this in surrounding specially while traveling with young generation. > >In such cases whats the use of their certificates of NET/SET exams? > >If private sector ensures the best candidate for their profitability and if professionals with NET/SET are supposed to be the best then why our MNCs and private sectors are yet away from having that as one of the major selection criteria for candidate? Infact the payments in these sectors are like anything and thus they can demand for the best as well. But I think they go for skills and not for certificates which can be obtained through a completely opaque system like these eligibility examinations. Tell me how many students who can not clear these exams even after several attempts, actually know the paper which becomes cause of failure? There is no transparency in examination results and thus it does not help students for preparations of next attempt. > > >One of our friends has stated that A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher need not be a good teacher thus M. Phil and Ph.D. as well have to go through these examinations. But can anyone tell me which section of NET / SET exam actually checks teaching skills of candidates? > >People from private sectors do their best to update themselves and cater the need of their organizations. But people from public sector has secure job and thus do not take much efforts to give someting best, which spoils the image of profession and professionals both. > >Thus I personally think that the exemption of these examinations is a good start and at same time instead of debating NET/SET/Ph.D./M.Phil etc. we should think of improving quality of our profession. Cause our educational system is such that neither clearing any of eligibility tests nor having any degree assures the quality. And our professionals who works as guide for Ph. D. and M. Phil students should take care that they allocate degree to a proper candidate. They can also try to either ban those universities who give fake degree to students or force them to wind up their activity so that we get quality. > >There should be a committee where anyone can complain against those professionals who are spoiling the image of profession. And the rights should be given to that committee so that they can take serious actions against the candidate (Like in Medical profession they have rights to take away the degree of doctor). This will automatically help to maintain the quality. And people will do their best to serve the profession. > >Regards, > >Monali >Sr. Exe. - Library & Documentation >Mumbai. > From: "Dr.H.S.Siddmallaiah" <sidda(a)nimhans.kar.nic.in> >To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>, "lis" <lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>, "corporatelibrns Moderator" <corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com>, "raja ram" <raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> >Subject: [LIS-Forum] Dont hang on to NET >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:48:19 +0530 >>Dear Friends >> >>UGC have honoured university colleagues >> >>If university people are not confident >>on their own product >>why don't they close M.Phil or Ph.D., >> >>on Contrary Ph.D., is mandatory for teacher in their >>promotion, irrespective of whether they are through with >>NET or not. >>If NET is everything why Ph.D., why don.t you call it like an IAS in >>academic. >> >>Research or academic activities are mindset, culture and need to be >>acquired through practice and actual research not just one exam >> >>Please be proactive to creativity and grow up to expectation by >>creating better products in university. Do not underestimate your >>own product. >>Good or bad is a comparative value, >>there is no benchmark for it >> >>With regards >>Dr.H.S.Siddamallaiah >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "raja ram" >><raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> >>To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>; "lis" >><lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>; "corporatelibrns Moderator" >><corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:40 PM >>Subject: [nmlis] Casting away the NET >> >> >> >>Casting away the NET >> >>The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their >> >>reservations about this development. It is now official. The >>University Grants Commission (UGC) has declared >> >>that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts for identifying >> >>potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an >> >>eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral >>degree. >> >>On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report >>of >> >>the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry >>of >> >>Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to >>revamp >> >>the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an >> >>eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, >>has been accepted in principle. >> >>Report recommendation >> >>The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be >> >>exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate >>courses and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching >>postgraduate courses. >> >>This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in >>Kerala. >> >>Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw >>this >> >>announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these >> >>academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is >>pretty much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a >> >>national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality teachers >>are to be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges. >> >>Dissenting voices >> >>"This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of >> >>Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of >>mediocrity as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in >>this university anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate >>examination can sign up for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for >>Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. There is no such thing as turning down >>a thesis. There is no evaluation by a foreign expert." >> >>"Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for >> >>M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the >>All Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC >>has always been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions >> from the NET. >> >> >> >>"In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who >>can >> >>be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda >>in >> >>this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for >>some >> >>subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption >>needs >> >>to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders >>and >> >>Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for >>quality >> >>teaching," he says. >> >>Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move >>of >> >>the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not >> >>thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the >>country who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are >>seeking to get a Ph.D. >> >>Flawed decision >> >>There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have >> >>better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and >>broad-base >> >>the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K. >> >>Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of >>linking M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed. >> >> >> >>"A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher >> >>need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure >>you should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. >>The method adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good >>in this respect. Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is >>going to be a spurt in the number of M.Phils. being offered by >>colleges. In no time there will also be M.Phil. in the distance >>education mode. Then all those people are going to try and become >>teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future the NET >>- in another form - becomes >> >>compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks. >> >>Broad-basing NET >> >>Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says >>the >> >>need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to >>do >> >>away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of >>having a >> >>nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be >>broad-based >> >>so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The >> >>Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time >>the Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had >> >>argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows >>for >> >>trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the >>NET for English can also teach such subjects as communicative >>English, >> >>linguistics or journalism. >> >>Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if >>the >> >>Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be >>done >> >>away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide >>debate >> >>among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr. >> >>Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of >>thousands of students." >> >>G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala. >> >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom >>Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger >>Download now >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >>--------------------~--> >>Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy >>technology. It's free. >>http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/HDfwlB/TM >>--------------------------------------------------------------------~-> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >><*> To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nmlis/ >> >><*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> nmlis-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com >> >><*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>LIS-Forum mailing list >>LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >>http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum >_______________________________________________ >LIS-Forum mailing list >LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum Dr. Vijay Raghav Tiwari Librarian Harish Chandra Research Institute (Department of Atomic Energy, Govt of India) Chhatnag Road,Jhunsi,Allahabad -211 019. Phone.91-532-2668302(O), 0532-2274325 (O), 0532-2274064 (R) <vrtiwari(a)mri.ernet.in> On Wed, 24 May 2006 Monali Panchbhai wrote : >Hi, >Dear Monali I think you have been the first to say such words that NET/SLET candidates are below standards. I dont know how much you know about all who have cleared this examination. But certainly I feel commenting about any one has become very easy, because it does not refelct on any one's face. Next thing you said about the librarian's and library's reference by the students. I would say that the references about both can never be so positive because of the following reasons: 1. Library impose rules, students dont want to follow any rules. 2. Librarian does not have any direct role in their markings at all as teacher have, may be in practicals or sessional markings. 3. Losses in the library do have a direct bearing on the librarian, hence he or she has to be more carefull about the use of the library. 4. Comments you can hear about any teacher too who does not have direct bearing on their marking/grading system. Please do not take comments about any one that so and so is below standard. Any exam which was difficult and was devised so many experts , how it can be useless? It is the irony in our country that opposition is made normally for opposition sake and sometimes by self interests too. Please think again while commenting on any one straight. regards vrt >I do not know who told my respected friends that those who have cleared NET / SET have opted standards and quality? Its been observed that, just because of NET and / or SET clearance few undeserved candidates gets job. There are professionals who hold certificates in NET / SET but can not build a good image of profession in society, do not have enthusiasm in teaching and / or servicing the need of users. Even students can clearly mark their negative qualities. Tell me how many college going students actually say some good things about their librarian? Everyone makes faces when the topic of library or librarian comes into discussion. One can easily observe this in surrounding specially while traveling with young generation. > >In such cases whats the use of their certificates of NET/SET exams? > >If private sector ensures the best candidate for their profitability and if professionals with NET/SET are supposed to be the best then why our MNCs and private sectors are yet away from having that as one of the major selection criteria for candidate? Infact the payments in these sectors are like anything and thus they can demand for the best as well. But I think they go for skills and not for certificates which can be obtained through a completely opaque system like these eligibility examinations. Tell me how many students who can not clear these exams even after several attempts, actually know the paper which becomes cause of failure? There is no transparency in examination results and thus it does not help students for preparations of next attempt. > > >One of our friends has stated that A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher need not be a good teacher thus M. Phil and Ph.D. as well have to go through these examinations. But can anyone tell me which section of NET / SET exam actually checks teaching skills of candidates? > >People from private sectors do their best to update themselves and cater the need of their organizations. But people from public sector has secure job and thus do not take much efforts to give someting best, which spoils the image of profession and professionals both. > >Thus I personally think that the exemption of these examinations is a good start and at same time instead of debating NET/SET/Ph.D./M.Phil etc. we should think of improving quality of our profession. Cause our educational system is such that neither clearing any of eligibility tests nor having any degree assures the quality. And our professionals who works as guide for Ph. D. and M. Phil students should take care that they allocate degree to a proper candidate. They can also try to either ban those universities who give fake degree to students or force them to wind up their activity so that we get quality. > >There should be a committee where anyone can complain against those professionals who are spoiling the image of profession. And the rights should be given to that committee so that they can take serious actions against the candidate (Like in Medical profession they have rights to take away the degree of doctor). This will automatically help to maintain the quality. And people will do their best to serve the profession. > >Regards, > >Monali >Sr. Exe. - Library & Documentation >Mumbai. > From: "Dr.H.S.Siddmallaiah" <sidda(a)nimhans.kar.nic.in> >To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>, "lis" <lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>, "corporatelibrns Moderator" <corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com>, "raja ram" <raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> >Subject: [LIS-Forum] Dont hang on to NET >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:48:19 +0530 >>Dear Friends >> >>UGC have honoured university colleagues >> >>If university people are not confident >>on their own product >>why don't they close M.Phil or Ph.D., >> >>on Contrary Ph.D., is mandatory for teacher in their >>promotion, irrespective of whether they are through with >>NET or not. >>If NET is everything why Ph.D., why don.t you call it like an IAS in >>academic. >> >>Research or academic activities are mindset, culture and need to be >>acquired through practice and actual research not just one exam >> >>Please be proactive to creativity and grow up to expectation by >>creating better products in university. Do not underestimate your >>own product. >>Good or bad is a comparative value, >>there is no benchmark for it >> >>With regards >>Dr.H.S.Siddamallaiah >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "raja ram" >><raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> >>To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>; "lis" >><lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>; "corporatelibrns Moderator" >><corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:40 PM >>Subject: [nmlis] Casting away the NET >> >> >> >>Casting away the NET >> >>The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their >> >>reservations about this development. It is now official. The >>University Grants Commission (UGC) has declared >> >>that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts for identifying >> >>potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an >> >>eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral >>degree. >> >>On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report >>of >> >>the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry >>of >> >>Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to >>revamp >> >>the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an >> >>eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, >>has been accepted in principle. >> >>Report recommendation >> >>The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be >> >>exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate >>courses and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching >>postgraduate courses. >> >>This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in >>Kerala. >> >>Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw >>this >> >>announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these >> >>academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is >>pretty much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a >> >>national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality teachers >>are to be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges. >> >>Dissenting voices >> >>"This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of >> >>Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of >>mediocrity as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in >>this university anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate >>examination can sign up for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for >>Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. There is no such thing as turning down >>a thesis. There is no evaluation by a foreign expert." >> >>"Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for >> >>M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the >>All Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC >>has always been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions >> from the NET. >> >> >> >>"In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who >>can >> >>be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda >>in >> >>this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for >>some >> >>subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption >>needs >> >>to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders >>and >> >>Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for >>quality >> >>teaching," he says. >> >>Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move >>of >> >>the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not >> >>thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the >>country who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are >>seeking to get a Ph.D. >> >>Flawed decision >> >>There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have >> >>better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and >>broad-base >> >>the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K. >> >>Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of >>linking M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed. >> >> >> >>"A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher >> >>need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure >>you should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. >>The method adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good >>in this respect. Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is >>going to be a spurt in the number of M.Phils. being offered by >>colleges. In no time there will also be M.Phil. in the distance >>education mode. Then all those people are going to try and become >>teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future the NET >>- in another form - becomes >> >>compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks. >> >>Broad-basing NET >> >>Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says >>the >> >>need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to >>do >> >>away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of >>having a >> >>nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be >>broad-based >> >>so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The >> >>Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time >>the Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had >> >>argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows >>for >> >>trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the >>NET for English can also teach such subjects as communicative >>English, >> >>linguistics or journalism. >> >>Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if >>the >> >>Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be >>done >> >>away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide >>debate >> >>among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr. >> >>Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of >>thousands of students." >> >>G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala. >> >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> Yahoo! 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Copyright Clearance of articles
by Chandrima Roy 25 May '06

25 May '06

Hi, That's true. In fact, the same is applicable for other organizations facilitating articles also. If an organization/ library facilitate articles to corporate/other users by mere photocopying of the same, it leads to infringement of Copyright law. With Regards Chandrima Roy Divan Enterprises B-9, Basement, "A" Block, Local Shopping Complex Naraina Vihar, Ring Road New Delhi - 110028 Tel: +91-11-25770411 Fax: +91-11-25778876 Email: croy(a)docdelserv.com croy(a)indianjournals.com Website: http://www.docdelserv.com http://www.indianjournals.com <http://www.indianjournals.com/> Vasumathi Sriganesh <mailto:lis-forum%40ncsi.iisc.ernet.in?Subject=%5BLIS-Forum%5D%20Copyrig ht%20Clearance%20of%20articles&In-Reply-To=> vasu at qmedin.com Wed May 24 12:53:00 IST 2006 * Previous message: [LIS-Forum] <http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/2006-May/004057.html> Copyright Clearance of articles * Next message: [LIS-Forum] <http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/2006-May/004058.html> RFID design center in Bangalore * Messages sorted by: [ <http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/2006-May/date.html#4074> date ] [ <http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/2006-May/thread.html#4074 > thread ] [ <http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/2006-May/subject.html#407 4> subject ] [ <http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/2006-May/author.html#4074 > author ] _____ Mr. Kaushik You can photocopy an article from another library's collection, and give it to the end user in your library with no copyright fee / liability ONLY if your user is wanting it for general reading and not for a profit making objective of your organization If it is for the use in a project of your organization etc (where the project is a for-profit one - and usually corporate projects are), then you need to pay the copyright fee for the article to the publisher. If you cannot pay to the publisher, you will need to pay through www.copyright.com (look for the Transaction Reporting Service) You cannot keep the article so procured in your library as part of your collection. It will need to be with the end user. IF the end-user leaves the organization, he / she needs to give the article to his/her successor. If you do keep it in the library for control reasons, you need to make sure that only that particular user / successor has access to the article. If another dept / user wants a copy, you have to pay the copyright fee all over again and only then make a copy for that user Regards Vasumathi Sriganesh Director, QMed Services A-3, Shubham Centre, Cardinal Gracious Road Chakala, Andheri East, Mumbai 400099, India Ph: 91-22-28229223 Fax: 91-22-28224358 Email: vasu at qmedin.com <http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum> , Web: www.qmedin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaushik" < <http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum> kginfo at gmail.com> To: < <http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum> lis-forum at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: [LIS-Forum] Copyright Clearance of articles If a corporate library is looking for an article and procuring that article from another library by doing photocopy of the same and then using that in the library ....then will such procurement be copy right cleared ? What does our copyright act say on this ? -- Kaushik Ghosh Kolkata  Hi, � That’s true. In fact, the same is applicable for other organizations facilitating articles also. If an organization/ library facilitate articles to corporate/other users by mere photocopying of the same, it leads to infringement of Copyright law. � With Regards Chandrima Roy Divan Enterprises B-9, Basement, “A” Block, Local Shopping Complex Naraina Vihar, Ring Road New Delhi – 110028 Tel: +91-11-25770411 Fax: +91-11-25778876 Email: � croy(a)docdelserv.com �� croy(a)indianjournals.com Website: http://www.docdelserv.com �� http://www.indianjournals.com/ http://www.indianjournals.com � � Vasumathi Sriganesh mailto:lis-forum%40ncsi.iisc.ernet.in?Subject=%5BLIS-Forum%5D%20Copyright%20Clearance%20of%20articles&In-Reply-To= vasu at qmedin.com Wed May 24 12:53:00 IST 2006 Previous message: http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/2006-May/004057.html [LIS-Forum] Copyright Clearance of articles Next message: http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/2006-May/004058.html [LIS-Forum] RFID design center in Bangalore Messages sorted by: http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/2006-May/date.html#4074 [ date ] http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/2006-May/thread.html#4074 [ thread ] http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/2006-May/subject.html#4074 [ subject ] http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/2006-May/author.html#4074 [ author ] Mr. Kaushik � You can photocopy an article from another library's collection, and give it to the end user in your library with no copyright fee / liability ONLY if your user is wanting it for general reading and not for a profit making objective of your organization � If it is for the use in a project of your organization etc (where the project is a for-profit one - and usually corporate projects are), then you need to pay the copyright fee for the article to the publisher. � If you cannot pay to the publisher, you will need to pay through www.copyright.com ( look for the Transaction Reporting Service) � You cannot keep the article so procured in your library as part of your collection . It will need to be with the end user. IF the end-user leaves the organization , he / she needs to give the article to his/her successor. If you do keep it in the library for control reasons, you need to make sure that only that particular user / successor has access to the article. If another dept / user wants a copy, you have to pay the copyright fee all over again and only then make a copy for that user � Regards � Vasumathi Sriganesh Director, QMed Services A-3, Shubham Centre, Cardinal Gracious Road Chakala , Andheri East , � Mumbai 400099, India Ph: 91-22-28229223 Fax: � 91-22-28224358 Email: http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum vasu at qmedin.com , Web: � www.qmedin.com � ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaushik" < http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum kginfo at gmail.com > To: < http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum lis -forum at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: [LIS-Forum] Copyright Clearance of articles � � If a corporate library is looking for an article and procuring that article from another library by doing photocopy of the same and then using that in the library ....then will such procurement be copy right cleared ? What does our copyright act say on this ? � -- Kaushik Ghosh Kolkata � � � �

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Fw: Welcome to the Discussion
by Subbiah Arunachalam 25 May '06

25 May '06

Friends: In case you have not heard about this new discussion group ...... There are a few articles, in the resources section, on OA in different countries and regions. If this discussion group attracts many in Africa to join and if it creates great enthusiasm for OA in Africa, it would be very good. Agencies such as IDRC, IICD, Hivos, CoL, UNECA and SDC may not only kindly follow developments but may proactively promote OA in Africa. Often people tend to see the great value of open access in the context of research. But OA is also important in distance learning and in development. Best wishes. Arun ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Adams To: arun(a)mssrf.res.in Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:48 AM Subject: Welcome to the Discussion Greetings from the Coady International Institute, and welcome to our online discussion on Open Access and Information for Development. We have around 95 participants from 19 countries registered so far ~ The discussion messages will come to your e-mail. You can contribute to the discussion by replying to the message (remember that your response will go to everyone on the list!) or by sending a new message to openaccess(a)dgroups.org If you want to send a message to only one person, please do not use the "Reply" option. The group also has a web page where we have posted some interesting papers to begin the discussion. One is a general introduction to Open Access, and there are also several short papers giving regional perspectives on Open Access. These papers were written specially for our discussion by participants who work in Nigeria, Tanzania, Nepal, Vietnam and Mongolia. You may want to look at the papers before the discussion officially begins on May 29. You can go to the discussion web page to read the papers at this address: http://www.dgroups.org/groups/openaccess You may be asked to enter your e-mail address and a password. You should have already received a message giving you an initial password (which you can change, if you wish). If you have any trouble accessing the web page, please let me know! Email me directly at sadams(a)stfx.ca Best wishes, Sue Adams Coady International Institute @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.emailstyle17 { COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } Friends: In case you have not heard about this new discussion group ...... There are a few articles, in the resources section, on OA in different countries and regions. If this discussion group attracts many in Africa to join and if it creates great enthusiasm for OA in Africa, it would be very good. Agencies such as IDRC, IICD, Hivos, CoL, UNECA and SDC may not only kindly follow developments but may proactively promote OA in Africa. Often people tend to see the great value of open access in the context of research. But OA is also important in distance learning and in development. Best wishes. Arun ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:sadams@stfx.ca Sue Adams To: mailto:arun@mssrf.res.in arun(a)mssrf.res.in Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:48 AM Subject: Welcome to the Discussion Greetings from the Coady International Institute, and welcome to our online discussion on Open Access and Information for Development. We have around 95 participants from 19 countries registered so far ~ The discussion messages will come to your e-mail. You can contribute to the discussion by replying to the message (remember that your response will go to everyone on the list!) or by sending a new message to mailto:openaccess@dgroups.org openaccess(a)dgroups.org If you want to send a message to only one person, please do not use the Reply option. The group also has a web page where we have posted some interesting papers to begin the discussion. One is a general introduction to Open Access, and there are also several short papers giving regional perspectives on Open Access. These papers were written specially for our discussion by participants who work in Nigeria , Tanzania , Nepal , Vietnam and Mongolia . You may want to look at the papers before the discussion officially begins on May 29. You can go to the discussion web page to read the papers at this address: http://www.dgroups.org/groups/openaccess http://www.dgroups.org/groups/openaccess You may be asked to enter your e-mail address and a password. You should have already received a message giving you an initial password (which you can change, if you wish). If you have any trouble accessing the web page, please let me know! Email me directly at mailto:sadams@stfx.ca sadams(a)stfx.ca Best wishes, Sue Adams Coady International Institute

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REQUEST- DIGITAL LIBRARY PROJECT
by suruli nathi 25 May '06

25 May '06

Dear friends From: "Manimekalai A" <a.manimeka...(a)gmail.com> To: lisnetwork(a)googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:51:22 +0530 Subject: REQUEST- DIGITAL LIBRARY PROJECT Dear Friends, I am doing my PhD work on " Digital Library Projects" . I do like to have the email ID of the Co- Ordinators who are doing the Digital Library Projects to collect some information for my work. Kindly comforward to help me by intimating the Name of the Project and the co ordinator's email ID. Expecting your valuable information thanks & regards, manimekalai a.manimeka...(a)gmail.com -- A.Manimekalai Asst. Librarian, Faculty of Engg. & Tech. Library, Annamalai University Annamalainagar- 608 002. Tamilnadu- INDIA Ph: (o) 04144-239175 Ph: (R)04144-228230 --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Dear friends [A] From: "Manimekalai A" <a.manimeka http://groups.google.com/groups/unlock?msg=4f81833510fafd56&_done=/group/li… ... @gmail.com> To: lisnetwork(a)googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:51:22 +0530 Subject: REQUEST- DIGITAL LIBRARY PROJECT Dear Friends, I am doing my PhD work on " Digital Library Projects" . I do like to have the email ID of the Co- Ordinators who are doing the Digital Library Projects to collect some information for my work. Kindly comforward to help me by intimating the Name of the Project and the co ordinator's email ID. Expecting your valuable information thanks & regards, manimekalai a.manimeka http://groups.google.com/groups/unlock?msg=4f81833510fafd56&_done=/group/li… ... @gmail.com -- A.Manimekalai Asst. Librarian, Faculty of Engg. & Tech. Library, Annamalai University Annamalainagar- 608 002. Tamilnadu- INDIA Ph: (o) 04144-239175 Ph: (R)04144-228230 Ring'em or ping'em. Make http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman11/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/e… PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

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Re: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 24
by Dr.H.S.Siddmallaiah 24 May '06

24 May '06

The argument in Indian express have two points a) Somebody have struggled to prepare NET that is why it should be continued b) M.Phil and Ph.D., are easy and net is difficult a) Creating difficult exam or conducting too many exams can not create good teachers. Actually teaching is art and it is not just knowledge b) If these university teachers can not produce good quality M.Phil or a Ph.D., close them. On top of it you also have policy that Ph.D., is a must for university teacher to become professor. Then Ph.D., is above your NET. If NET is everything why highest degree Ph.D., I endorse that the decision of UGC is fare and good, it has honoured universities, University teacher has to come up to that expectation. with regards Dr.H.S.Siddamallaiah ----- Original Message ----- From: <lis-forum-request(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> To: <lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 24 > Send LIS-Forum mailing list submissions to > lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lis-forum-request(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > > You can reach the person managing the list at > lis-forum-owner(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of LIS-Forum digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Open Access Journals? (Sukhdev Singh) > 2. open source software (mahendra m m) > 3. Re: Open source Journals? (Suvarsha Walters) > 4. Re: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 22 (Jeetender Chandna) > 5. Opinion on Net/slet exemption for PhDs and MPhil holders > (yekanath kamble) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:24:31 +0530 > From: "Sukhdev Singh" <esukhdev(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LIS-Forum] Open Access Journals? > To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > Message-ID: > <c13c85220605220454yb88435gc69f6e55a470d801(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > What I can understand from your email is that you want to say again > that someone has to pay for the open access - be it the author, > publisher or employer / funding agency of the author. > > But same is also true in "Traditional Model" or Closed Access. In the > traditional / subscription based model also the Governmental Agency / > Funding Agency pays subscription fee to acquire / subscribe the > journals into their Library for its employee / scholars to "consume" > literature before they can "produce". > > Let us remember one thing - in academic domain - both the consumers > and producers are the same - the scientific / academic community. They > consume literature to produce literature. And this circle is ensured > with the help of public money in some way or the other. > > Let me introduce two terms for the business models of the Open and the > Closed Access. > > "Pre-Paid" for Open Access Publishing - The funding agency Pre-Pays > for the Consume-Produce Circle by spending on the publication of the > research results which it has been funding. This payment has to be > made only once for all members of the scientific community. > > "Post-Paid" for Traditional Publishing - The funding agency does not > pay an extra bit for the research funded by it. The authors after > utilising the public money for carrying out research, get the results > published in traditional journals. No payment is required for > publication but the authors surrenders all rights of their paper. The > best papers most often are published in foreign journals. Later on - > the funding agency - makes the journal available in its library after > paying subscription cost. In case of foreign journal it has to shell > out foreign currency to get back the results of even that work which > it originally funded. Multiple payments are required to be made if the > govt. / funding agency has multiple libraries spread over a > geographical area. Even for digital copies / version the licence fee > would be in proportionate to the number of end - users. > > It can be easily seen that "Pre-Paid" model makes more sence for > research funding agencies. > > So if it costs to publish science - then why not to adopt "Pre-Paid" > model? > > > --Sukhdev Singh, NIC. > http://openmed.nic.in > > > > > --------- > On 20/05/06, Chandrima Roy <croy(a)docdelserv.com> wrote: > Based on my understanding, discussions and as per the details given by > Peter Suber on http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/overview.htm > > Can we summarize the points as under? - > Features of Open Access: > > A) Free for User > i) Users are free to quote or refer the text > ii) They are free to download > iii) Users are free to add the downloaded text to their archive > iv) As Online Access Literature is free of most copyright and > licensing restrictions, no permissions are required to make the > information freely available on users' platform, from any other platform > > B) Authors/ Publishers have to bear the cost > i) As an Author, if one has information but cannot > pay, then? Can he look for subsidy? > ii) A Publisher, who is either Commercial or > Governmental needs to fund the project. So, the finance will come from > where? > a) Excess charging of Print Version? (That is possible in case of > established journals only) > b) Subsidy? (Again available to established journal only) OR > c) Advertisements? (Again depends upon the Journal Standard) > > Chandrima Roy > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Thu, >> 18 May 2006 >> 14:14:20 >> +0530 >> From: >> Sukhdev >> Singh < http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum >> esukhdev >> at gmail.com >> > >> >> Who bears the cost of the author's intellectual inputs?!! >> >> The same >> should >> bear the cost of author's publication. >> >> What is reported in scholarly journals? -- Research output. >> Who does that research? -- Scientists / Scholars. >> >> And Scientists / Scholars get salary for that. They need >> infrastructure >> to work in. They work on Research Projects that cost >> money >> . >> >> Who bears all the cost? >> >> Publication costs are just a fraction of the total cost of the >> research >> output. So it makes sense to spend a bit extra to expose the >> research >> results, gain maximum impact of it and build ground for >> further >> research. >> >> So funding agencies >> ( Govt >> . or Others) need to spend little extra to >> publish >> the research / project outcome which they >> sponser >> . Public >> funding >> agencies have their publication wings - they just need to >> allow >> free / open access to their publications. >> Atleast >> to their >> online >> versions. Indian Council for Medical Research is an example >> which >> provides free access to their journal - Indian Journal of >> Medical Research. >> >> Well there are other models as followed by >> BioMed >> Central and >> PLoS >> . >> Advertising revenues could be other. >> >> Don't we have Free-to-Air TV Channels? >> Hey! Do we pay for listening to FM Radio Channels? - Private or Public. >> >> I would suggest - >> >> --All publications consuming public money to produce should be >> publicly >> accessible - at least their online versions. >> >> --All publicly funded research should be mandated to be open-archived >> by >> the author with in a time frame. >> >> --All teaching / >> reseach >> institutions should set-up their >> institutional >> repositories. >> >> -- >> Sukhdev >> Singh, NIC. >> http://openmed.nic.in http://openmed.nic.in >> >> Date: Thu, >> 18 May 2006 >> 02:18:16 >> -0700 (PDT) >> From: >> ranjit >> dharmapurikar >> < http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum >> d_ranjit >> at yahoo.com >> > >> >> Dear Sir, >> You have asked about the cost of open source journals. >> who >> will bear the cost. Of course, the publisher, >> agency >> , person who is putting the journal on the net >> is >> required to bear the cost. Keeping the facility of >> open >> source journals is a way of an advertisement. >> Generally what I have observed that these open source >> journals >> are very old. >> Whenevr >> they found that there >> is >> not demand for such articles then they >> declear >> it >> as >> an open source journal. At least with this open >> source >> journals users will learn and will come to know >> that >> such titled journals are available. So it is a >> way >> of an advertisement. What I think. Like out dated >> goods >> are sold by maximum discount for attracting the >> customers >> towards new and fresh product. The same >> story >> can be applicable with open source journals >> R.G. >> Dharmapurikar >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LIS-Forum mailing list >> LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >> http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: 22 May 2006 18:59:00 -0000 > From: "mahendra m m" <mahendrammm3(a)rediffmail.com> > Subject: [LIS-Forum] open source software > To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > Message-ID: <20060522185900.25816.qmail(a)webmail49.rediffmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > > topic;OPEN SOURCE INITIATIVES IN INDIAN LIBRARIES > HELLO LIS PROFESSIONALS, > I AM WORKING ON PROJECT OPEN SOURCE INITIATIVES IN INDIAN > LIBRARIES.INTERESTED PROFESSIONALS ARE REQUESTED THAT THEY SHOULD > SEND THE INFORMATION ABOUT USE OF OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE IN THEIR > LIBRARIES. > WITH BEST WISHES > MAHENDRA METE > LIBRARIAN SHRI SHIVAJI COLLEGE AMRAVATI > mahendrammm3(a)rediffmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:00:34 +0530 (IST) > From: Suvarsha Walters <suvarsha(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> > Subject: Re: [LIS-Forum] Open source Journals? > To: Chandrima Roy <croy(a)docdelserv.com> > Cc: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0605231059510.8071(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Hi, > > There is a subtle difference between Open Source and Open Access. > Open Source software where source is given, can also be commercial. It can > be bought and sold too. > > Open Access is applied to content that is free. You cannot charge > for the content itself. Though of course you can make money by other > means like ads, charging authors etc. > > with regards, > > Suvarsha > *********************************************************************** > Suvarsha Walters, Project Assistant, > National Centre for Science Information > Indian Institute of Science, > Bangalore - 560 012 > INDIA > Ph (Off): 080-23600271 / 22932511 > Ph (Mobile): 98458 33694 > E-mail: suvarsha_w(a)yahoo.com > suvarsha(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > > ************************************************************************ > > On Mon, 22 May 2006, Chandrima Roy wrote: > >> What is the difference between Open Access and Open Source? >> >> Open source software, like free software, is a kind of software the >> source code of which is freely available for inspection or modification. >> >> Open access is a kind of access or availability. This kind of access >> could apply to any digital content, such as software, music, movies, or >> news. >> >> Chandrima Roy >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:55:47 +0530 > From: "Jeetender Chandna" <granthpal(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [LIS-Forum] Re: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 22 > To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > Message-ID: > <c6921800605230025r70841ee4yb2f788c28082a7d5(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed > >> What is the difference between Open Access and Open Source? >> >> Open source software, like free software, is a kind of software the >> source code of which is freely available for inspection or modification. >> >> Open access is a kind of access or availability. This kind of access >> could apply to any digital content, such as software, music, movies, or >> news. >> >> Chandrima Roy > > Google has given us a very powerful search tool for making such > comparisons. > > ----------------------------------- > define: XYZZZZZZZZZ > ----------------------------------- > > The (define:) tool picks up definitions from many sources and brings > forth many definitions from various glossaries. > ************************************************************************************ > For <define: "Open Access"> I am show casing a few relevant results: > > ************************************************************************************ > Open access (also known as open-access publishing and free online > scholarship) is an ongoing publication practice which differs in the > way traditional methods of publishing papers to the public get > submitted, reviewed, authenticated and finally published. The word > "open" here means a change in how publication is negotiated between > author and publisher and 'access' has an inflex on how the audience > can obtain the publication. ... > <src: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access> > > Open Access: A publication model where in neither readers nor a > reader's institution are charged for access to articles or other > resources. Users are free to read, download, copy, distribute, print, > search, or link to the full texts of these articles. The only > constraint on reproduction and distribution, and the only role for > copyright . ... > <src: www.loc.gov/acq/conser/glossary.html> > > Also, this last definition is also applicable and ergo suggests to us > that this is not purely a digital domain term: > > Open Access: Book stacks to which users have free access to browse and > retrieve items on their own, as opposed to closed stacks > library.wur.nl/desktop/help/faq_glossary.html > > > Adding my thoughts, today Open Access is a MOVEMENT which is targetted > towards freedom of content from parasitic publishers. It is also > concerned with newer forms of publishing rights, these rights now > include terms like -- copyright, copyleft, creative commons licensing > models, et al. > > Open Access in www terms is indicative of faster, cheaper, and maybe > free access to current content -- both in peer reviewed and otherewise > domains. > > > ************************************************************************************ > Vis-a-vis Open Source ---- Google Search::<define: "open source"> > ************************************************************************************ > Open Source is also another movement, but on that has largely been > relegated to the IT software domain. In this, people generate software > for the common good. The software is released into the market and is > generally improved upon by other programmers, resulting in faster, > better, and usually free products. The credit-line is always > maintained - of the producers. These warez cannot be sold > commercially. > > One well known OS site is SourceForge.net > > Shareware / Freeware eg: tucows.com, are other ways of sharing programs. > Whereas Shareware is commercial, Freeware is free of cost. > But in these cases, the source code of the programming involved is not > disclosed. > > > Regarding "Open Source" definitions: > > This is what Microsft has to say > "A movement in the programming community for making source code > (program instructions) free and freely available to anyone interested > in using or working with it. > <www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/visio/visio2002/plan/glossary.mspx>" > > > Another definition for OS > Term coined in March 1998 to describe software distributed in source > under licenses guaranteeing anybody rights to freely use, modify, and > redistribute the code. The intent was to be able to sell the hackers' > ways of doing software to industry and the mainstream by avoiding the > negative connotations (to [business people]) of the term "free > software". For discussion of the follow-on tactics and their > consequences, see the Open Source Initiative site. > <www.slais.ubc.ca/courses/libr500/02-03-wt1/www/J_Caldwell/Terminology.htm> > > > Lets us what the future holds in store for us. > > Vis-a-vis capitalism, communism has usually taken a back seat. > > "Open Source," essentially a community movement, has been slow in its > growth. Linux has found a strong foothold in the www arena, but that > has been largely due to Microsoft's blinders which they were quite > late in removal. > > However the share of MS web servers is on the rise and just like what > they did to Netscape in the Browser wars, the same may happen with web > servers also. > > Similar is the case in the database scenario also mySQl vs Oracle/SQL. > > Whatever be the results, there is no end to this basic war between the > rich and the do-gooders. It is a perennial war with no end. > > I am game. Its fun. The fun is playing the game, not winning or > losing. It all relates to the side you choose. > > Open Access.. here I come :) > > -- > Regards > Granthpal > ---------------------------------------- > Jeetender Chandna aka Vicky aka Granthpal > Esha News Monitoring Services Pvt Ltd > 10th Floor, Krushal Commercial Complex > Chembur (W) Mumbai 400089 > Tel: (91-22) 3245 2861 > Email: granthpal(a)gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 00:39:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: yekanath kamble <yekanathnkamble(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [LIS-Forum] Opinion on Net/slet exemption for PhDs and MPhil > holders > To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > Message-ID: <20060523073907.61798.qmail(a)web50511.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next > part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: ugc.JPG > Type: image/pjpeg > Size: 250142 bytes > Desc: 3817349252-ugc.JPG > Url : > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/pipermail/lis-forum/attachments/20060523/6be0e501… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > LIS-Forum mailing list > LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum > > > End of LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 24 > ***************************************** > > >

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[Fwd: From Arun, MSSRF]
by arun＠mssrf.res.in 24 May '06

24 May '06

>From Peter Suber's blog 1. Finland's university rectors commit to OA The Finnish Council of University Rectors decided today to support a wide-ranging set of initiatives to advance OA in Finland. (Thanks to Kalle Korhonen.) From the minutes of its meeting: The Finnish Council of University Rectors has, in its meeting today, decided to sign the Berlin Declaration on Open Access to Knowledge in the Sciences and Humanities. The council is a non-governmental association representing the heads of all 21 Finnish universities. In this occasion, it is important to point out also the more concrete open access activities in Finland. In April 2006, an initiative was started for the advancement of open access activities in Finland, funded by the Ministry of Education. The project, known as OA-JES, is coordinated by the Finnish Open Access Working Group, FinnOA. It is a collaboration between the University of Helsinki, Helsinki University of Technology, the National Library of Finland, and the Federation of Finnish Learned Societies (TSV). The objectives of the initiative are: 1) to give aid to universities and research institutes in setting up institutional repositories; 2) to inform researchers about how open access is a part of the research process; and 3) to provide an easy-to-use platform for the open access journals of Finnish learned societies. The Ministry of Education will also be funding a digital infrastructure initiative in the centre campus the University of Helsinki, starting in 2007. In the centre campus are situated the faculties of arts, behavioural sciences, law, social sciences, and theology. The aims will be twofold: 1) to support scholarly open access publishing, which will include repository services both for researchers and for scholarly journals of the departments, and 2) to build a supportive infrastructure for the accessibility and preservation of primary research materials of the departments. The idea is to provide faculty with a comprehensive set of services for own publications and research materials. These activities are a concrete manifestation of the recommendations of the Open Access Publishing Committee, issued by the ministry in 2005. Comment. Finland is one of only three countries so far with a national-level OA policy that has gone beyond proposal to adoption. The other two are the US (NIH policy) and Germany (DFG policy). The minutes above link to an abstract (in English) of the policy, but also see the full-text (in English). The new initiatives supported by the rectors focus on what remains to be done: funding, educational outreach, and OA infrastructure. Kudos to Finland for these important steps. With the new OA bill in Germany I blogged yesterday, these are signs of growing momentum not only toward OA, but toward national commitments to OA. 2. Background on the US National Science Digital Library Dean Krafft, Building a National Science Digital Library, a webcast lecture and PPT slides from the Educause webinar series, delivered May 8, 2006. (Thanks to ResourceShelf.) From the summary: Since 2000, the National Science Digital Library (NSDL) Core Integration team has been creating the infrastructure for a digital library of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics resources. That library now contains more than a million resources from approximately 100 collections. In this talk, Dean Krafft will give a short historical overview of the NSDL and describe the current NSDL community and participants. He will then review the technical underpinnings of NSDL 1.0, a library built on metadata harvesting, and describe some of the challenges encountered. For the past year, the project has been working on NSDL 2.0, a new version of the library built on the Fedora repository architecture. For the last part of the talk, Krafft will describe this new library architecture and explain how it supports creating context for science resources, how it enhances the selection and use of library materials, and what these capabilities mean for the users of the NSDL.

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NET
by Emmanuel E C (RBIN/ORG1-KCI) 24 May '06

24 May '06

Dear Friends, I strongly support Dr.H.S.Siddamalliah's thoughts & feel that there is logic in his thoughts. 1. First of all why do we need NET is basic thing here most our friends are unmindful of their writing and just telling that they want NET, let them express logically how NET is going to improve the present educational scenario namely in Library & Information Science Profession. I have two leaving examples in front of me those who have cleared their NET but still they cannot open their mouth and explain simple topics of LIS (Library & Information Science) clearly, I saw them attending several interviews but still not got through. By thinking that it might be communication problem I looked closely into their LIS knowledge it is shocking but they have cleared their NET. But I don't think one exam improves the caliber of education/identifies one's ability. 2. I believe NET & SLET is meant for teaching professionals and Research professionals in all faculties at Higher learning centers but I strongly believe that Librarian is not going to teach anything there. If yes why he is bothered with this unwanted exam. In this context I feel NET is totally irrelevant to Librarians. Of course we can have NET for those who want to make their career as teaching professionals/Research professionals in LIS. 3. I saw some of my friends writing as NET/SLET changes the way other look at Librarians. Through this forum I ask my friend "whether your role is going to change after clearing NET? Do you stop classifying, cataloguing & organizing information and or else start doing something else because you have cleared NET. What I would like to say is by wearing a new shirt your internal attitude doesn't change but only look changes. Whether you have NET or not but the basic work what you do and will be doing is the same. 4. Some of our fellow professionals wrote very arrogantly by recommending NET, that NET improves the LIS professions standard, I would like to reply them through this forum that it is NOT THE NET BUT sincere work of our senior fellow professionals in LIS has improved the way people look at us to name a few ( Karnataka) a. Dr. Karisidappa Professor, b. Dr. Dr.H.S.Siddamalliah, c. Mr. Chikmalliah , d. Mrs. Theresa Williams Manager information services , Wipro e. Dr Shalini Urs etc f. Dr. Maheswarappa Several others are there world over who are really contributing to the Profession by taking new projects, by providing innovative information services by publishing literature in LIS, by creating more opportunities for fellow professionals by taking new projects & providing apprenticeship trainings and even some of them have really worked hard to change the present syllabus of LIS which is par with syllabus of foreign universities etc. But none these have NET aren't they still contributing to the profession with their small efforts. 5. Last but not least what I want to convey is you improve your skills, learn something new every time as learning is a continuous process it will not stop by clearing NET. Let us say one who clears NET is really an asset to the profession but what is the guarantee that he keeps alive the fire within him and serve his profession sincerely. When you closely look why people want to clear their NET is not to contribute to the profession but to get/secure a job. 6. If it was our higher educational system is wrong then several people those who working in foreign universities would not have been there. Still several foreign universities are happy to recruit people who have completed their Ph.D in India. Yes here & there some bias and favoritism is there in Indian universities also as we all are human being .I strongly believe that few instances of bias & favoritism cannot overshadow the efforts & services of several Professors serving in the Indian Universities. 6. Request all of you to stop wasting your time by writing on this issue but to use this forum for right purpose. Thanks & Regards Knowledge Center & Information Services, RBIN, Bangalore. >Emmanuel Ebnazar. > -----Original Message----- From: lis-forum-bounces(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in [mailto:lis-forum-bounces@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in] On Behalf Of lis-forum-request(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Sent: Wednesday, 24. May 2006 4:27 PM To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 30 Send LIS-Forum mailing list submissions to lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to lis-forum-request(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in You can reach the person managing the list at lis-forum-owner(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of LIS-Forum digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Casting away the NET (Satish Munnolli) 2. NET or PhD (nazim malik) 3. NET/SET stop discussion do action (Monali Panchbhai) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:26:54 +0530 From: "Satish Munnolli" <smunnolli(a)actrec.res.in> Subject: [LIS-Forum] Casting away the NET To: <lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>, <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <00b001c67eff$4013af70$1f08640a@SatishMunnolli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In continuation to the debate on NET/SET/MPhil/Ph.D. If, Librarians (not in teaching profession) are categorised under NON TEACHING faculty by many colleges, why they should clear NET / SET exam that is basically designed for teaching faculty ? Librarians attached to academic institute libraries are not teaching in their practice. Is it only to ensure UGC scale ? If it is so, how many fellow colleagues who cleared NET exam are really getting UGC scale in private colleges ? And also I believe for teaching professionals in library science (in Universities) they should have one more Master's degree apart from MLISc and NET clearance. Is it the same case with other disciplines also ? Why there is a double standard for Library Science professionals ? Satish S Munnolli Librarian Advanced Centre for Treatment, Research & Education in Cancer (ACTREC) Tata Memorial Centre Sector 22, Kharghar, Navi Mumbai 410 208 India Ph : +91 22 2740 5026 Fax : +91 22 2740 5085 Email : smunnolli(a)actrec.res.in ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr.H.S.Siddmallaiah" <sidda(a)nimhans.kar.nic.in> To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>; "lis" <lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>; "corporatelibrns Moderator" <corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com>; "raja ram" <raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: [LIS-Forum] Re: [nmlis] Casting away the NET > Dear Friends > the arguments of the academician friends does not have any logic > and they are not confident of their product at research degrees like M.Phil > or Ph.D., > > NET is a benefit of chance in answering one exam > If Universities are not sure of the generating good quality M.Phil and > quality Ph.D., > then let them work out achieving good quality at that level not to leave > it to the benefit of chance in > one exam . > the argument to hang on to NET is a stupidity > and doubt on their own M.phil and Ph.D., > there argument is like they are through and they don't want others to be > through > > May be I am little harsh, conducting too many exam is not a solution and can > not create a research culture > or academic bent, making the students to work better in research degrees can > create better culture > With regards > Dr.H.S.Siddamalliah > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "raja ram" <raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> > To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>; "lis" <lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>; > "corporatelibrns Moderator" <corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:40 PM > Subject: [nmlis] Casting away the NET > > > > Casting away the NET > > The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their > > reservations about this development. It is now official. The University > Grants Commission (UGC) has declared > > that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts for identifying > > potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an > > eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral degree. > > On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report of > > the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry of > > Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to revamp > > the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an > > eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, has been > accepted in principle. > > Report recommendation > > The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be > > exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate courses > and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching postgraduate > courses. > > This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in Kerala. > > Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw this > > announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these > > academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is pretty > much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a > > national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality teachers are to > be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges. > > Dissenting voices > > "This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of > > Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of mediocrity > as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in this university > anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate examination can sign up > for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. > There is no such thing as turning down a thesis. There is no evaluation by a > foreign expert." > > "Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for > > M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the All > Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC has always > been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions from the NET. > > > > "In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who can > > be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda in > > this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for some > > subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption needs > > to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders and > > Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for quality > > teaching," he says. > > Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move of > > the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not > > thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the country > who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are seeking to get a Ph.D. > > Flawed decision > > There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have > > better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and broad-base > > the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K. > > Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of linking > M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed. > > > > "A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher > > need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure you > should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. The method > adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good in this respect. > Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is going to be a spurt in the > number of M.Phils. being offered by colleges. In no time there will also be > M.Phil. in the distance education mode. Then all those people are going to > try and become teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future > the NET - in another form - becomes > > compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks. > > Broad-basing NET > > Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says the > > need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to do > > away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of having a > > nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be broad-based > > so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The > > Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time the > Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had > > argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows for > > trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the NET for > English can also teach such subjects as communicative English, > > linguistics or journalism. > > Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if the > > Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be done > > away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide debate > > among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr. > > Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of thousands of > students." > > G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download > now > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's > free. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/HDfwlB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nmlis/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > nmlis-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > _______________________________________________ > LIS-Forum mailing list > LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:10:12 +0100 (BST) From: nazim malik <monis_naz(a)yahoo.co.in> Subject: [LIS-Forum] NET or PhD To: LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Message-ID: <20060524071012.32961.qmail(a)web8404.mail.in.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Friends Much has already been discussed regarding the exemption of NET. Some people are in favor and some are against the UGC decision. This is very difficult to say that UGC decision is right or wrong because those who having PhD or going to complete their PhD in near future obviously welcome the UGC decision. But those who after a hard work cleared the NET/JRF certainly reject the exemption of NET idea of UGC. This is my observation that in each discipline or subject number of NETs is more than number of available posts. It means supply is higher than demand. Then what is the need of exemption of NET? If UGC is really interested to improve quality in teaching and research then NET must be compulsory for those who want to do PhD and the essential qualification for lectureship must be NET+PhD. A PhD Holder may be expert in a very small field on which he has done his work but for clearing NET he must be master of his subject and that is necessary for a good teacher. One thing I would like to share that UGC decision is good as far as the post of Asstt. Librarian is concerned because this is purely administrative post which requires practical experiences rather than theoretical knowledge. 50% post of Asstt. Librarians should be filled up through the internal promotion and rest 50% through the NET or PhD. This is my personal views based on my experiences. But I have also experienced that candidates having sound knowledge of their subjects but could not cleared the NET. But these are exceptional cases. With Regards Nazim malik BHU, Varanasi --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download now -------------- next part -------------- Dear Friends Much has already been discussed regarding the exemption of NET. Some people are in favor and some are against the UGC decision. This is very difficult to say that UGC decision is right or wrong because those who having PhD or going to complete their PhD in near future obviously welcome the UGC decision. But those who after a hard work cleared the NET/JRF certainly reject the exemption of NET idea of UGC. This is my observation that in each discipline or subject number of NETs is more than number of available posts. It means supply is higher than demand. Then what is the need of exemption of NET? If UGC is really interested to improve quality in teaching and research then NET must be compulsory for those who want to do PhD and the essential qualification for lectureship must be NET+PhD. A PhD Holder may be expert in a very small field on which he has done his work but for clearing NET he must be master of his subject and that is necessary for a good teacher. One thing I would like to share that UGC decision is good as far as the post of Asstt. Librarian is concerned because this is purely administrative post which requires practical experiences rather than theoretical knowledge. 50% post of Asstt. Librarians should be filled up through the internal promotion and rest 50% through the NET or PhD. This is my personal views based on my experiences. But I have also experienced that candidates having sound knowledge of their subjects but could not cleared the NET. But these are exceptional cases. With Regards Nazim malik BHU, Varanasi http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/in/mailanswersshare/*http://in.answers.yahoo.co… Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/in/freesms/*http://messenger.yahoo.com/download… Download now ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:16:51 +0000 From: "Monali Panchbhai" <monalipanchbhai(a)hotmail.com> Subject: [LIS-Forum] NET/SET stop discussion do action To: sidda(a)nimhans.kar.nic.in, nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com, lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in, corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <BAY108-F28A315635B88FFD203C243B1980(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed" Hi, I do not know who told my respected friends that those who have cleared NET / SET have opted standards and quality? It's been observed that, just because of NET and / or SET clearance few undeserved candidates gets job. There are professionals who hold certificates in NET / SET but can not build a good image of profession in society, do not have enthusiasm in teaching and / or servicing the need of users. Even students can clearly mark their negative qualities. Tell me how many college going students actually say some good things about their librarian? Everyone makes faces when the topic of library or librarian comes into discussion. One can easily observe this in surrounding specially while traveling with young generation. In such cases what's the use of their certificates of NET/SET exams? If private sector ensures the best candidate for their profitability and if professionals with NET/SET are supposed to be the best then why our MNCs and private sectors are yet away from having that as one of the major selection criteria for candidate? Infact the payments in these sectors are like anything and thus they can demand for the best as well. But I think they go for skills and not for certificates which can be obtained through a completely opaque system like these eligibility examinations. Tell me how many students who can not clear these exams even after several attempts, actually know the paper which becomes cause of failure? There is no transparency in examination results and thus it does not help students for preparations of next attempt. One of our friends has stated that "A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher need not be a good teacher" thus M. Phil and Ph.D. as well have to go through these examinations. But can anyone tell me which section of NET / SET exam actually checks teaching skills of candidates? People from private sectors do their best to update themselves and cater the need of their organizations. But people from public sector has secure job and thus do not take much efforts to give someting best, which spoils the image of profession and professionals both. Thus I personally think that the exemption of these examinations is a good start and at same time instead of debating NET/SET/Ph.D./M.Phil etc. we should think of improving quality of our profession. Cause our educational system is such that neither clearing any of eligibility tests nor having any degree assures the quality. And our professionals who works as guide for Ph. D. and M. Phil students should take care that they allocate degree to a proper candidate. They can also try to either ban those universities who give fake degree to students or force them to wind up their activity so that we get quality. There should be a committee where anyone can complain against those professionals who are spoiling the image of profession. And the rights should be given to that committee so that they can take serious actions against the candidate (Like in Medical profession they have rights to take away the degree of doctor). This will automatically help to maintain the quality. And people will do their best to serve the profession. Regards, Monali Sr. Exe. - Library & Documentation Mumbai. From: "Dr.H.S.Siddmallaiah" <sidda(a)nimhans.kar.nic.in> To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>, "lis" <lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>, "corporatelibrns Moderator" <corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com>, "raja ram" <raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> Subject: [LIS-Forum] Dont hang on to NET Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:48:19 +0530 >Dear Friends > >UGC have honoured university colleagues > >If university people are not confident >on their own product >why don't they close M.Phil or Ph.D., > >on Contrary Ph.D., is mandatory for teacher in their >promotion, irrespective of whether they are through with >NET or not. >If NET is everything why Ph.D., why don.t you call it like an IAS in >academic. > >Research or academic activities are mindset, culture and need to be >acquired through practice and actual research not just one exam > >Please be proactive to creativity and grow up to expectation by >creating better products in university. Do not underestimate your >own product. >Good or bad is a comparative value, >there is no benchmark for it > >With regards >Dr.H.S.Siddamallaiah > >----- Original Message ----- From: "raja ram" ><raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> >To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>; "lis" ><lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>; "corporatelibrns Moderator" ><corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:40 PM >Subject: [nmlis] Casting away the NET > > > >Casting away the NET > >The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their > >reservations about this development. It is now official. The >University Grants Commission (UGC) has declared > >that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts for identifying > >potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an > >eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral >degree. > >On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report >of > >the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry >of > >Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to >revamp > >the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an > >eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, >has been accepted in principle. > >Report recommendation > >The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be > >exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate >courses and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching >postgraduate courses. > >This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in >Kerala. > >Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw >this > >announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these > >academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is >pretty much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a > >national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality teachers >are to be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges. > >Dissenting voices > >"This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of > >Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of >mediocrity as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in >this university anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate >examination can sign up for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for >Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. There is no such thing as turning down >a thesis. There is no evaluation by a foreign expert." > >"Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for > >M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the >All Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC >has always been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions >from the NET. > > > >"In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who >can > >be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda >in > >this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for >some > >subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption >needs > >to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders >and > >Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for >quality > >teaching," he says. > >Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move >of > >the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not > >thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the >country who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are >seeking to get a Ph.D. > >Flawed decision > >There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have > >better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and >broad-base > >the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K. > >Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of >linking M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed. > > > >"A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher > >need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure >you should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. >The method adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good >in this respect. Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is >going to be a spurt in the number of M.Phils. being offered by >colleges. In no time there will also be M.Phil. in the distance >education mode. Then all those people are going to try and become >teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future the NET >- in another form - becomes > >compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks. > >Broad-basing NET > >Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says >the > >need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to >do > >away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of >having a > >nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be >broad-based > >so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The > >Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time >the Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had > >argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows >for > >trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the >NET for English can also teach such subjects as communicative >English, > >linguistics or journalism. > >Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if >the > >Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be >done > >away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide >debate > >among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr. > >Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of >thousands of students." > >G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala. > > > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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I have two leaving examples in front of me those who have cleared th eir NET but still they cannot open their mouth and explain simple topic s of LIS (Library & Information Science ) clearly , I saw the m attending several interviews but still not got through. By thinking that it might be communication problem I looked closely into their LIS knowledge it is shocking but they have cleared their NET. But I don't think one exam improve s the caliber of education /identifies one 's ability . 2. I believe NET & SLET is meant for teaching professionals and Research professionals in all faculties at Higher learning centers but I strongly b elieve that Librarian is not going to teach anything there . I f yes why he is bothered with this unwanted exam. I n this context I feel NET is totally irrelevant to Librarians . Of course we can have NET for those who want to make their career as teaching professionals /Research professionals in LIS . 3. I saw some of my friends writing as NET/SLET changes the way other look at Librarian s. T hrough this forum I ask my friend " whe ther you r role is going to change after clearing NET? Do you stop classifying, cataloguing & organizing information and or else start do ing something else because you have cleared NET . W hat I would like to say is by wearing a new shirt your internal attitude doesn't change but only look changes. Whether you have NET or not but the basic work what you do and wi ll be doing i s the same. 4. Some of our fellow professionals wrote very arrogantly by recommending NET , that NET improves the LIS professions standard , I would like to reply them through this forum that it is NOT THE NET BUT sincere work of our senior fellow professionals in LIS has improved the way people look at us to name a few ( Karnataka) a . Dr. K arisidappa Professor , b . Dr. Dr.H.S.Siddamalliah , c . Mr. Chikmalliah , d . Mrs. Theresa Williams Manager information services , Wipro e. D r Shalini Urs etc f. D r. Mah e swarappa Several others are there world over who are really contributing to the Profession by taking new projects, by providing innovative information services by publishing literature in LIS , by creating more opportunities for fellow professionals by taking new projects & providing apprenticeship trainings and eve n some of them have really worked hard to change the present syllabus of LIS which is par with syllabus of foreign universities etc . But none these have NET aren't they still contributing to the profession with their small efforts. 5. Last but not least what I want to convey is you improve your skills , learn something new every time as learning is a continuous pro cess it will not stop by clearing NET. Let us say one who clears NET is really an asset to the profession but what is the guarantee that he keeps alive the fire within him and serve his profession sincerely. When you closely look why people want to clear their NET is not to contribute to the profession but to get/ secure a job . 6. If it was our higher educational system is wrong then several people those who working in foreign universities would not have been there. Still several foreign universities are happy to recruit people who have completed their Ph.D in India. Yes here & there some bias and favori ti sm is there in Indian universities also as we all are human being . I str ongly believe that f ew instances of bias & favoritism cannot overshadow the efforts & services of several Professors serving in the Indian Universities. 6. Request all of you to stop wasting your time by writing on this issue but to u se this forum for right purpose . [A] Thanks & Regards Knowledge Center & Information Services, RBIN, Bangalore. >Emmanuel Ebnazar. > -----Original Message----- From: lis -forum-bounces(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in [ mailto:lis-forum-bounces@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in mailto:lis-forum-bounces@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in ] On Behalf Of lis-forum-request(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Sent: Wednesday, 24. May 2006 4:27 PM To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 30 Send LIS-Forum mailing list submissions to lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to lis-forum-request(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in You can reach the person managing the list a t lis-forum-owner(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of LIS-Forum digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Casting away the NET (Satish Munnolli) 2. NET or PhD (nazim malik) 3. NET/SET stop discussion do action (Monali Panchbhai) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:26:54 +0530 From: "Satish Munnolli" <smunnolli(a)actrec.res.in> Subject: [LIS-Forum] Cas ting away the NET To: <lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>, <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <00b001c67eff$4013af70$1f08640a@SatishMunnolli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In continuation to the debate on NET/SET/MPhil/Ph.D. If, Librarians (not in teaching profession) are categorised under NON TEACHING faculty by many colleges, why they should clear NET / SET exam that is basically designed for teaching faculty ? Librarians attached to academic institute libraries are not teaching in their practice. Is it only to ensure UGC scale ? If it is so, how many fellow colleagues who cleared NET exam are really getting UGC scale in private colleges ? And also I believe for teaching professiona ls in library science (in Universities) they should have one more Master's degree apart from MLISc and NET clearance. Is it the same case with other disciplines also ? Why there is a double standard for Library Science professionals ? Satish S Munnolli L ibrarian Advanced Centre for Treatment, Research & Education in Cancer (ACTREC) Tata Memorial Centre Sector 22, Kharghar, Navi Mumbai 410 208 India Ph : +91 22 2740 5026 Fax : +91 22 2740 5085 Email : smunnolli(a)actrec.res.in ----- Original Message -- --- From: "Dr.H.S.Siddmallaiah" <sidda(a)nimhans.kar.nic.in> To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>; "lis" <lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>; "corporatelibrns Moderator" <corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com>; "raja ram" <raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: [LIS-Forum] Re: [nmlis] Casting away the NET > Dear Friends > the arguments of the academician friends does not have any logic > and they are not confident of their product at research degrees like M.Phil > or Ph.D., > > NET is a benefit of chance in answering one exam > If Universities are not sure of the generating good quality M.Phil and > quality Ph.D., > then let them work out achieving good quality at that level not to leave > it to the benefit of chance in > one exam . > the argument to hang on to NET is a stupidity > and doubt on their own M.phil and Ph.D., > there argument is like they are through and they don't want others to be > through > > May be I am little harsh, conducting too many exam is not a solution and can > not create a research culture > or academic bent, making the students to work better in research degrees can > create better culture > With regards > Dr.H.S.Siddamalliah > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "raja ram" <raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> > To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>; "lis" <lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>; > "corporatelibrns Moderator" <corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:40 PM > Subject: [nmlis] Casting away t he NET > > > > Casting away the NET > > The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their > > reservations about this development. It is now official. The University > Grants Commission (UGC) has declared > > that the National Eligibility Test ( NET) it conducts for identifying > > potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an > > eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral degree. > > On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report of > > the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry of > > Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to revamp > > the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an > > eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, has been > accepted in principle. > > Report recommendation > > The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be > > exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in u ndergraduate courses > and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching postgraduate > courses. > > This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in Kerala. > > Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw this > > announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these > > academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is pretty > much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a > > national-level test of some sort in una voidable if quality teachers are to > be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges. > > Dissenting voices > > "This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of > > Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of mediocrity > as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in this university > anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate examination can sign up > for M.Phil. and everyone w ho registers for Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. > There is no such thing as turning down a thesis. There is no evaluation by a > foreign expert." > > "Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for > > M.Phil. courses," points out R. Moh ankumar, general secretary of the All > Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC has always > been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions from the NET. > > > > "In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regardin g who can > > be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda in > > this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for some > > subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption needs > > to be given, fine . But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders and > > Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for quality > > teaching," he says. > > Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move of > > the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not > > thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the country > who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are seeking to get a Ph.D. > > Flawed decision > > There a re also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have > > better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and broad-base > > the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K. > > Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe t hat the very concept of linking > M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed. > > > > "A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher > > need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure you > should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. The method > adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good in this respect. > Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is going to be a spurt in the > number of M.Phils. be ing offered by colleges. In no time there will also be > M.Phil. in the distance education mode. Then all those people are going to > try and become teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future > the NET - in another form - becomes > > compu lsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks. > > Broad-basing NET > > Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says the > > need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to do > > away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of having a > > nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be broad-based > > so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The > > Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time the > Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had > > argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows for > > trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the NET for > English can also teach such subjects as communicative English, > > linguistics or journalism. > > Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if the > > Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be done > > away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide debate > > among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr. > > Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of thousands of > students." > > G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala. > > > > > > ------------------------- -------- > Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download > now > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's > free. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/HDfwlB/TM http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/HDfwlB/TM > ------------------------------------ --------------------------------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nmlis/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nmlis/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > nmlis-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com > > <* > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > _______________________________________________ > LIS-Forum mailing list > LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in > http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:10:12 +0100 (BST) From: nazim malik <monis_naz(a)yahoo.co.in> Subject: [LIS-Forum] NET or PhD To: LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Message-ID: <20060524071012.32961.qmail(a)web8404.mail.in.yahoo. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Friends Much has already been discussed regarding the exemption of NET. Some people are in favor and some are against the UGC decision. This is very difficult to say that UGC decision is ri ght or wrong because those who having PhD or going to complete their PhD in near future obviously welcome the UGC decision. But those who after a hard work cleared the NET/JRF certainly reject the exemption of NET idea of UGC. This is my observation that in each discipline or subject number of NETs is more than number of available posts. It means supply is higher than demand. Then what is the need of exemption of NET? If UGC is really interested to improve quality in teaching and research then NET m u st be compulsory for those who want to do PhD and the essential qualification for lectureship must be NET+PhD. A PhD Holder may be expert in a very small field on which he has done his work but for clearing NET he must be master of his subject and that i s necessary for a good teacher. One thing I would like to share that UGC decision is good as far as the post of Asstt. Librarian is concerned because this is purely administrative post which requires practical experiences rather than theoretical kno wledge. 50% post of Asstt. Librarians should be filled up through the internal promotion and rest 50% through the NET or PhD. This is my personal views based on my experiences. But I have also experienced that candidates having sound knowledge of their subjects but could not cleared the NET. But these are exceptional cases. With Regards Nazim malik BHU, Varanasi --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download now

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Casting away the NET
by Jeetender Chandna 24 May '06

24 May '06

My two thoughts on the NET wrangle. This net is full of holes and lets many fishy teachers through it. First, there is the problem with our standards of teaching itself. Many seem to agree that our standards have gone pretty low. Many grads do not have the capacity to write two error free sentences. Then there is the boom of Masters. Today people claim that PhD's are easy to obtain. Now how is that possible. Whatever be the scenario, most would agree that we are one of the most corrupt nations on earth. The "sab chalta hai" attitude is a primary reason for our downgrading. Even the sacrosanct UPSC/IAS exams are not free from the bane of paper leaks, corrupt interviews, and seats for money. Punjab is example where high level appointments were sold for money. ********** Now on the positive side. ********* With the abolition of NET -- there will be greater competition for the teaching posts. And if, no corruption happens during the appointments, then the students willl benefit. -- Regards Granthpal ---------------------------------------- Jeetender Chandna aka Vicky aka Granthpal Esha News Monitoring Services Pvt Ltd 10th Floor, Krushal Commercial Complex Chembur (W) Mumbai 400089 Tel: (91-22) 3245 2861 Email: granthpal(a)gmail.com

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(no subject)
by dibya kishor pradhan 24 May '06

24 May '06

Dear all, RFID implimentation in a library having the collection of 10,000 documents need what type of system requirments and how much cost. Please inform . With reghards. D.K.Pradhan Asst.Librarian C.V.R.C.E Bhubaneswar Dear all, RFID implimentation in a library having the collection of 10,000 documents need what type of system requirments and how much cost. Please inform . With reghards. D.K.Pradhan Asst.Librarian C.V.R.C.E Bhubaneswar http://adworks.rediff.com/cgi-bin/AdWorks/sigclick.cgi/www.rediff.com/signa… http://adworks.rediff.com/cgi-bin/AdWorks/sigimpress.cgi/www.rediff.com/sig…

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Video interview on Open Access
by Sukhdev Singh 24 May '06

24 May '06

Richard Poynder, a Freelance Journalist, had an excellent Video interview with Open Access advocate Stevan Harnad. It is about 30 minutes interview that can be viewed on a multi-media PC having a Windows Media Player installed. Apart from OA Publishing and Self-Arching, Prof Harnad also talk of role of librarians in OA Movement. Here are the Broadband < http://www.streamingmedia.com/internetlibrarian/inetlib1_300.asx > and Dial-up < http://www.streamingmedia.com/internetlibrarian/inetlib1_56.asx > Links. --Sukhdev Singh, NIC. http://openmed.nic.in

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A letter to SciDev.net
by Subbiah Arunachalam 24 May '06

24 May '06

Friends: Here is a letter we posted to SciDev.Net a few days ago. It was published two days ago. Please spread the word. Arun -------- Dear Editor, My colleagues and I have read with interest your news item, 'Open-access research makes a bigger splash', on the Gunther Eysenbach study on the impact of open access on citations. This is a welcome study, and is confirmation of a growing number of similar studies carried out since 2001, (eg http://opcit.eprints.org/oacitation-biblio.html) It will be of interest to your readers that statistics becoming available now from journals published in developing countries are showing a similar very marked increase in usage following conversion to Open Access. For example, the journals distributed by the Brazil/Canada service, Bioline International, show a remarkable increase in full text paper downloads, rising from an average of about 2500 in 2004 to an average of 200,000 full papers per month since becoming OAI-compliant in January 2005, an eight-fold increase. The journals are from 16 developing countries (Bangladesh, Brazil, Chile, China, Colombia, Egypt, Croatia, India, Iran, Kenya, Malaysia, Nigeria, Senegal, Turkey, Uganda, Venezuela - see http://www.bioline.org.br/journals, and the service is provided free-of-charge to authors, institutions and countries). It seems certain that the recovery of full papers will have a direct impact on the citation index as data becomes available. Similarly, the distribution service, MedKnow (http://www.medknow.com) managing biomedical journals in India, has found that as a result of converting to Open Access, accessions to full text papers have risen dramatically, the numbers of submissions has grown (and submissions are increasingly received from non-Indian authors), the citation index has reached over 1.0 for the first time for an Indian journal, and significantly the numbers of subscriptions have increased. As a result, the authors and the publishers are extremely pleased with the development. The MedKnow journals are also distributed through Bioline International. Although these statistics are not comparing the same papers available either OA or non-OA as in the PNAS study, but are comparing the journal usage before and after converting to OA, it is certainly clear that open access is creating a remarkable and hugely encouraging usage of research publications from developing countries. Further monitoring will continue and no doubt the pattern of usage, geographically and by discipline, will emerge as the OA environment beds down into common practice. We feel these findings may be of interest to readers of your news item and the authors of this letter can provide more detailed information if requested. Yours truly, Subbiah Arunachalam, MS Swaminathan Research Foundation, Chennai Vanderlei Canhos, Bioline International, Campinas, Brazil Leslie Chan, Bioline International, Toronto, Canada D K Sahu, MedKnow, Mumbai Barbara Kirsop, Electronic Publishing Trust for Development http://www.epublishingtrust.org Friends: Here is a letter we posted to SciDev.Net a few days ago. It was published two days ago. Please spread the word. Arun -------- Dear Editor, My colleagues and I have read with interest your news item, Open-access research makes a bigger splash , on the Gunther Eysenbach study on the impact of open access on citations. This is a welcome study, and is confirmation of a growing number of similar studies carried out since 2001, (eg http://opcit.eprints.org/oacitation-biblio.html http://opcit.eprints.org/oacitation-biblio.html ). It will be of interest to your readers that statistics becoming available now from journals published in developing countries are showing a similar very marked increase in usage following conversion to Open Access. For example, the journals distributed by the Brazil/Canada service, Bioline International, show a remarkable increase in full text paper downloads, rising from an average of about 2500 in 2004 to an average of 200,000 full papers per month since becoming OAI-compliant in January 2005, an eight-fold increase. The journals are from 16 developing countries (Bangladesh, Brazil, Chile, China, Colombia, Egypt, Croatia, India, Iran, Kenya, Malaysia, Nigeria, Senegal, Turkey, Uganda, Venezuela see http://www.bioline.org.br/journals http://www.bioline.org.br/journals , and the service is provided free-of-charge to authors, institutions and countries). It seems certain that the recovery of full papers will have a direct impact on the citation index as data becomes available. Similarly, the distribution service, MedKnow ( http://www.medknow.com/ http://www.medknow.com ) managing biomedical journals in India, has found that as a result of converting to Open Access, accessions to full text papers have risen dramatically, the numbers of submissions has grown (and submissions are increasingly received from non-Indian authors), the citation index has reached over 1.0 for the first time for an Indian journal, and significantly the numbers of subscriptions have increased. As a result, the authors and the publishers are extremely pleased with the development. The MedKnow journals are also distributed through Bioline International. Although these statistics are not comparing the same papers available either OA or non-OA as in the PNAS study, but are comparing the journal usage before and after converting to OA, it is certainly clear that open access is creating a remarkable and hugely encouraging usage of research publications from developing countries. Further monitoring will continue and no doubt the pattern of usage, geographically and by discipline, will emerge as the OA environment beds down into common practice. We feel these findings may be of interest to readers of your news item and the authors of this letter can provide more detailed information if requested. Yours truly, Subbiah Arunachalam, MS Swaminathan Research Foundation, Chennai Vanderlei Canhos, Bioline International, Campinas, Brazil Leslie Chan, Bioline International, Toronto, Canada D K Sahu, MedKnow, Mumbai Barbara Kirsop, Electronic Publishing Trust for Development http://www.epublishingtrust.org/ http://www.epublishingtrust.org

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Vendors
by veena bhat 24 May '06

24 May '06

Dear Sir/ Madam, Is there any vendors for Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute in India? If so, please let me know. I will be greatful to you. Best Regards, Veena Bhat International Institute of Information Technology, Pune. --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Dear Sir/ Madam, Is there any vendors for Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute in India? If so, please let me know. I will be greatful to you. Best Regards, Veena Bhat International Institute of Information Technology, Pune. Sneak preview the http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40762/*http://www.yahoo.com/preview all-new Yahoo.com . It's not radically different. Just radically better.

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SCHEME OF CARRER ADVANCEMENT FOR THE POST OF INFORMATION SCIENTIST
by ranjit dharmapurikar 24 May '06

24 May '06

Dear all, I would like to know whether the scheme of carrer advamcement is applicable for the post of Information Scientst. This post is considered as a non-vacational academic staff on par with university assistant librarian or college librarian, its basic pay is 8000-13500. However guidelines about carrer advancement are not available till now to the post of Information Scientst. Will anybody help me and clarify the matter. If such authontic document is availble kindly send it to me or at least communicate me the source. Thanks Ranjeet Dharmapurikar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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One Day Workshop
by satish kumar 24 May '06

24 May '06

Dear all, Kindly accetp this invitation and forward this for all your professional friends It gives me immense pleasure to inform you that the Learning Resource Wing of East Point College of Engineering and Technology, Bangalore 49 is organizing one day workshop on E-Resources: A Tool to Make Science and Engineering Research Easier on May 26th 2006. The workshop will mainly focus on various dimensions of the theme. During the event eminent scholars and practioners will be sharing their experience on the subject. We cordially invite you to participate in one day workshop. This Workshop will help Librarians, Teaching faculty, research scholars, and staff involved in R&D Activities. Workshop E-Resources: A Tool to Make Science and Engineering Research Easier Date & Time May 26th 2006 : 09.00 am Registration Fee Librarians Rs. 200.00 Academicians Rs. 200.00 Research Scholars Rs. 100.00 Students Rs. 100.00 Payment Mode Cash or DD in favour of Principal, EPCET, payable at Bangalore Venue Seminar hall, East Point College of Engineering and Technology, Bidarahally, Near Avalahally, Bangalore-560 049 Contact details of Workshop Coordinator 9844116650, 080-28473777 e-mail: libraryworkskop(a)yahoo.co.in Thanking you Paramanand --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download now professional friends It gives me immense pleasure to inform you that the Learning Resource Wing of East Point College of Engineering and Technology, Bangalore 49 is organizing one day workshop on E-Resources: A Tool to Make Science and Engineering Research Easier on May 26th 2006. The workshop will mainly focus on various dimensions of the theme. During the event eminent scholars and practioners will be sharing their experience on the subject. We cordially invite you to participate in one day workshop. This Workshop will help Librarians, Teaching faculty, research scholars, and staff involved in R&D Activities. Workshop E-Resources: A Tool to Make Science and Engineering Research Easier Date & Time May 26th 2006 : 09.00 am Registration Fee Librarians Rs. 200.00 Academicians Rs. 200.00 Research Scholars Rs. 100.00 Students Rs. 100.00 Payment Mode Cash or DD in favour of Principal, EPCET, payable at Bangalore Venue Seminar hall, East Point College of Engineering and Technology, Bidarahally, Near Avalahally, Bangalore-560 049 Contact details of Workshop Coordinator 9844116650, 080-28473777 e-mail: http://in.f85.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=libraryworkskop@yahoo.co.in&YY=1… libraryworkskop(a)yahoo.co.in Thanking you Paramanand http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/in/mailanswersshare/*http://in.answers.yahoo.co… Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/in/freesms/*http://messenger.yahoo.com/download… Download now

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Copyright Clearance of articles
by Kaushik 24 May '06

24 May '06

If a corporate library is looking for an article and procuring that article from another library by doing photocopy of the same and then using that in the library ....then will such procurement be copy right cleared ? What does our copyright act say on this ? -- Kaushik Ghosh Kolkata -- Kaushik Ghosh Kolkata

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NET or PhD
by nazim malik 24 May '06

24 May '06

Dear Friends Much has already been discussed regarding the exemption of NET. Some people are in favor and some are against the UGC decision. This is very difficult to say that UGC decision is right or wrong because those who having PhD or going to complete their PhD in near future obviously welcome the UGC decision. But those who after a hard work cleared the NET/JRF certainly reject the exemption of NET idea of UGC. This is my observation that in each discipline or subject number of NETs is more than number of available posts. It means supply is higher than demand. Then what is the need of exemption of NET? If UGC is really interested to improve quality in teaching and research then NET must be compulsory for those who want to do PhD and the essential qualification for lectureship must be NET+PhD. A PhD Holder may be expert in a very small field on which he has done his work but for clearing NET he must be master of his subject and that is necessary for a good teacher. One thing I would like to share that UGC decision is good as far as the post of Asstt. Librarian is concerned because this is purely administrative post which requires practical experiences rather than theoretical knowledge. 50% post of Asstt. Librarians should be filled up through the internal promotion and rest 50% through the NET or PhD. This is my personal views based on my experiences. But I have also experienced that candidates having sound knowledge of their subjects but could not cleared the NET. But these are exceptional cases. With Regards Nazim malik BHU, Varanasi --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download now Dear Friends Much has already been discussed regarding the exemption of NET. Some people are in favor and some are against the UGC decision. This is very difficult to say that UGC decision is right or wrong because those who having PhD or going to complete their PhD in near future obviously welcome the UGC decision. But those who after a hard work cleared the NET/JRF certainly reject the exemption of NET idea of UGC. This is my observation that in each discipline or subject number of NETs is more than number of available posts. It means supply is higher than demand. Then what is the need of exemption of NET? If UGC is really interested to improve quality in teaching and research then NET must be compulsory for those who want to do PhD and the essential qualification for lectureship must be NET+PhD. A PhD Holder may be expert in a very small field on which he has done his work but for clearing NET he must be master of his subject and that is necessary for a good teacher. One thing I would like to share that UGC decision is good as far as the post of Asstt. Librarian is concerned because this is purely administrative post which requires practical experiences rather than theoretical knowledge. 50% post of Asstt. Librarians should be filled up through the internal promotion and rest 50% through the NET or PhD. This is my personal views based on my experiences. But I have also experienced that candidates having sound knowledge of their subjects but could not cleared the NET. But these are exceptional cases. With Regards Nazim malik BHU, Varanasi http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/in/mailanswersshare/*http://in.answers.yahoo.co… Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/in/freesms/*http://messenger.yahoo.com/download… Download now

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Re: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 20 (fwd)
by Mailing List Manager 24 May '06

24 May '06

Date: 23 May 2006 11:03:42 -0000 From: sushanta kumar pathy <skpathy(a)rediffmail.com> � Dear All, It is a welcome step if UGC give relaxation to Mphil/PhD. holder but at the same time the NET and experience should be given top priority. Everybody talking about this but no body is certain about the circular. If any one having the circular please circulate it. Also it would not be wise if we generralize the comments on MPhil/PhD are easy to get. Though one will be eligible by having these degree but it is not easy to get a job without any productivity. Yours Sushanta

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Re: Copyright Clearance of articles (Kaushik)
by Byrappa, Ananda (GE, Research) 24 May '06

24 May '06

Kaushik, Copyright fee is separate from photocopy or your library membership fee. Therefore, you should clear copyright for articles you source from any other Library. As you might be aware, international document delivery service providers like CISTI, Linda hall, BL etc would charge handling(photocipy) fee and copyright fee separately for every article they deliver/supply. When you source articles from local libraries, you can get copy right clearance from Copyright Clearance Centre (CCC) http://www.copyright.com. They also offer annual memberships for the organisations,including corporates. However, when you source/procure articles from publishers you don't require to clear copyright since they are the right holders. I hope it clarifies your doubts. Best Regards, Anand Ananda T. Byrappa Manager, Library & Information Services GE Global Research 122, EPIP, Phase 2, Hoodi Village, Whitefield Road, Bangalore - 560066, INDIA Phone : +91-80-2503-2618, DialCom: 8*901 2618 Fax : +91-80-2841-2114, Email : Ananda.Byrappa(a)ge.com -----Original Message----- From: lis-forum-bounces(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in [mailto:lis-forum-bounces@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in]On Behalf Of lis-forum-request(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:02 PM To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 26 Send LIS-Forum mailing list submissions to lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to lis-forum-request(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in You can reach the person managing the list at lis-forum-owner(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of LIS-Forum digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Copyright Clearance of articles (Kaushik) 2. RFID design center in Bangalore (Jayadev P Hiremath) 3. Re: Open Access Journals? (sathya) 4. Re: (no subject) (Library) 5. Re: [nmlis] Casting away the NET (Dr.H.S.Siddmallaiah) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:02:05 +0530 From: Kaushik <kginfo(a)gmail.com> Subject: [LIS-Forum] Copyright Clearance of articles To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Message-ID: <e8ac0d7b0605230532o5b55ec36kf4b4536bd9298132(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If a corporate library is looking for an article and procuring that article from another library by doing photocopy of the same and then using that in the library ....then will such procurement be copy right cleared ? What does our copyright act say on this ? -- Kaushik Ghosh Kolkata

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UGC-NET
by Hemant Bhoot 24 May '06

24 May '06

Dear Friends, Now the decision on NET exemption for the M.Phil or Ph.D holders has been taken.This is not a right move by the Balchandra Mungekar Committee.It has been decided that the Ph.D and M.Phil is equilant to the NET and can apply for the teaching in the Universities and colleges. In my openion, it is very difficult to revert the decision about net. but UGC needs to change selection parameter so entrance test would not be so easy to get register for the Ph.D. Research guide should have minimum 5 years teaching and research experience to guide the newly registered candidates. Hemant Bhoot Librarian Institute of Professional Education and Research Bhopal Dear Friends, Now the decision on NET exemption for the M.Phil or Ph.D holders has been taken.This is not a right move by the Balchandra Mungekar Committee.It has been decided that the Ph.D and M.Phil is equilant to the NET and can apply for the teaching in the Universities and colleges. In my openion, it is very difficult to revert the decision about net. but UGC needs to change selection parameter so entrance test would not be so easy to get register for the Ph.D. Research guide should have minimum 5 years teaching and research experience to guide the newly registered candidates. Hemant Bhoot Librarian Institute of Professional Education and Research Bhopal http://adworks.rediff.com/cgi-bin/AdWorks/sigclick.cgi/www.rediff.com/signa… http://adworks.rediff.com/cgi-bin/AdWorks/sigimpress.cgi/www.rediff.com/sig…

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by Gangadharesha.A.S 24 May '06

24 May '06

Dear Professional colleagues, >From a user standpoint of view a search engine is a web page that allows keywords or phrases to be entered and returns results based on the relevance of the documents it holds in its index. While Surfing the net I found a search engine called http://a9.com/ . A9, Inc is a separately branded and operated subsidiary of Amazon.com, Inc, Its features builds on innovative technologies to improve search experience for e-commerce applications and flexible in categories of searching (Can see search result in a single window). For detailed features of the said search engine please have look, http://toolbar.a9.com/-/company/media/pr20040915.jsp. For a range of useful and well-known search engines list please visit: http://searchenginewatch.com/links/article.php/2156221 Thanks n Regards Gangadharesha.A.S E&R Library Infosys Technologies Ltd, Mysore DC **************** CAUTION - Disclaimer ***************** This e-mail contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by e-mail and delete the original message. Further, you are not to copy, disclose, or distribute this e-mail or its contents to any other person and any such actions are unlawful. This e-mail may contain viruses. Infosys has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, but is not liable for any damage you may sustain as a result of any virus in this e-mail. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening the e-mail or attachment. Infosys reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the Infosys e-mail system. ***INFOSYS******** End of Disclaimer ********INFOSYS***  Dear Professional colleagues, � From a user standpoint of view a search engine is a web page that allows keywords or phrases to be entered and returns results based on the relevance of the documents it holds in its index. While Surfing the net I found a search engine called http://a9.com/ http://a9.com/ . A9, Inc is a separately branded and operated subsidiary of Amazon.com, Inc, Its features builds on innovative technologies to improve search experience for e-commerce applications and flexible in categories of searching (Can see search result in a single window). For detailed features of the said search engine please have look, http://toolbar.a9.com/-/company/media/pr20040915.jsp http://toolbar.a9.com/-/company/media/pr20040915.jsp . � For a range of useful and well-known search engines list please visit: http://searchenginewatch.com/links/article.php/2156221 http://searchenginewatch.com/links/article.php/2156221 � � Thanks n Regards � Gangadharesha.A.S �E&R Library �Infosys Technologies Ltd, �Mysore DC **************** CAUTION - Disclaimer ***************** This e-mail contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by e-mail and delete the original message. Further, you are not to copy, disclose, or distribute this e-mail or its contents to any other person and any such actions are unlawful. This e-mail may contain viruses. Infosys has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, but is not liable for any damage you may sustain as a result of any virus in this e-mail. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening the e-mail or attachment. Infosys reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the Infosys e-mail system. ***INFOSYS******** End of Disclaimer ********INFOSYS***

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