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Fwd: [libtech] Jobs at GOA
by jaypee hugar 27 May '06

27 May '06

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Open Access Journals?
by Chandrima Roy 26 May '06

26 May '06

Based on my understanding, discussions and as per the details given by Peter Suber on http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/overview.htm Can we summarize the points as under? - Features of Open Access: A) Free for User i) Users are free to quote or refer the text ii) They are free to download iii) Users are free to add the downloaded text to their archive iv) As Online Access Literature is free of most copyright and licensing restrictions, no permissions are required to make the information freely available on users' platform, from any other platform B) Authors/ Publishers have to bear the cost i) As an Author, if one has information but cannot pay, then? Can he look for subsidy? ii) A Publisher, who is either Commercial or Governmental needs to fund the project. So, the finance will come from where? a) Excess charging of Print Version? (That is possible in case of established journals only) b) Subsidy? (Again available to established journal only) OR c) Advertisements? (Again depends upon the Journal Standard) Chandrima Roy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:14:20 +0530 From: Sukhdev Singh < <http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum> esukhdev at gmail.com> Who bears the cost of the author's intellectual inputs?!! The same should bear the cost of author's publication. What is reported in scholarly journals? -- Research output. Who does that research? -- Scientists / Scholars. And Scientists / Scholars get salary for that. They need infrastructure to work in. They work on Research Projects that cost money. Who bears all the cost? Publication costs are just a fraction of the total cost of the research output. So it makes sense to spend a bit extra to expose the research results, gain maximum impact of it and build ground for further research. So funding agencies ( Govt. or Others) need to spend little extra to publish the research / project outcome which they sponser. Public funding agencies have their publication wings - they just need to allow free / open access to their publications. Atleast to their online versions. Indian Council for Medical Research is an example which provides free access to their journal - Indian Journal of Medical Research. Well there are other models as followed by BioMed Central and PLoS. Advertising revenues could be other. Don't we have Free-to-Air TV Channels? Hey! Do we pay for listening to FM Radio Channels? - Private or Public. I would suggest - --All publications consuming public money to produce should be publicly accessible - at least their online versions. --All publicly funded research should be mandated to be open-archived by the author with in a time frame. --All teaching / reseach institutions should set-up their institutional repositories. --Sukhdev Singh, NIC. http://openmed.nic.in Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 02:18:16 -0700 (PDT) From: ranjit dharmapurikar < <http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum> d_ranjit at yahoo.com> Dear Sir, You have asked about the cost of open source journals. who will bear the cost. Of course, the publisher, agency, person who is putting the journal on the net is required to bear the cost. Keeping the facility of open source journals is a way of an advertisement. Generally what I have observed that these open source journals are very old. Whenevr they found that there is not demand for such articles then they declear it as an open source journal. At least with this open source journals users will learn and will come to know that such titled journals are available. So it is a way of an advertisement. What I think. Like out dated goods are sold by maximum discount for attracting the customers towards new and fresh product. The same story can be applicable with open source journals R.G. Dharmapurikar  Based on my understanding, discussions and as per the details given by Peter Suber on http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/overview.htm http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/overview.htm � Can we summarize the points as under? – Features of Open Access: � <![if !supportLists]> A) �� <![endif]> Free for User i ) �� Users are free to quote or refer the text ii) �� They are free to download iii) �� Users are free to add the downloaded text to their archive iv) �� As Online Access Literature is free of most copyright and licensing restrictions, no permissions are required to make the information freely available on users’ platform, from any other platform � <![if !supportLists]> B) �� <![endif]> Authors/ Publishers have to bear the cost <![if !supportLists]> i) �� <![endif]>As an Author, if one has information but cannot pay, then? Can he look for subsidy? <![if !supportLists]> ii) �� <![endif]>A Publisher, who is either Commercial or Governmental needs to fund the project. So, the finance will come from where? <![if !supportLists]> a) �� <![endif]>Excess charging of Print Version? (That is possible in case of established journals only) <![if !supportLists]> b) �� <![endif]>Subsidy? (Again available to established journal only) �� OR <![if !supportLists]> c) �� <![endif]>Advertisements? (Again depends upon the Journal Standard) � Chandrima Roy � -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- � Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:14:20 +0530 From: Sukhdev Singh < http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum esukhdev at gmail.com > � Who bears the cost of the author's intellectual inputs?!! � The same should bear the cost of author's publication. � What is reported in scholarly journals? -- Research output. Who does that research? -- Scientists / Scholars. � And Scientists / Scholars get salary for that. They need infrastructure to work in. They work on Research Projects that cost money . � Who bears all the cost? � Publication costs are just a fraction of the total cost of the research output. So it makes sense to spend a bit extra to expose the research results, gain maximum impact of it and build ground for further research. � So funding agencies ( Govt . or Others) need to spend little extra to publish the research / project outcome which they sponser . Public funding agencies have their publication wings - they just need to allow free / open access to their publications. Atleast to their online versions. Indian Council for Medical Research is an example which provides free access to their journal - Indian Journal of Medical Research. � Well there are other models as followed by BioMed Central and PLoS . Advertising revenues could be other. � Don't we have Free-to-Air TV Channels? Hey! Do we pay for listening to FM Radio Channels? - Private or Public. � I would suggest - � --All publications consuming public money to produce should be publicly accessible - at least their online versions. � --All publicly funded research should be mandated to be open-archived by the author with in a time frame. � --All teaching / reseach institutions should set-up their institutional repositories. � -- Sukhdev Singh, NIC. http://openmed.nic.in http://openmed.nic.in � Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 02:18:16 -0700 (PDT) From: ranjit dharmapurikar < http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum d_ranjit at yahoo.com > � Dear Sir, You have asked about the cost of open source journals. who will bear the cost. Of course, the publisher, agency , person who is putting the journal on the net is required to bear the cost. Keeping the facility of open source journals is a way of an advertisement. Generally what I have observed that these open source journals are very old. Whenevr they found that there is not demand for such articles then they declear it as an open source journal. At least with this open source journals users will learn and will come to know that such titled journals are available. So it is a way of an advertisement. What I think. Like out dated goods are sold by maximum discount for attracting the customers towards new and fresh product. The same story can be applicable with open source journals R.G. Dharmapurikar �

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Providing information about electronic security gates-reg:-
by librarian＠gitam.edu 26 May '06

26 May '06

Dear Colleagues, Please let know the details and address of elecftronic security gates to avoid the theft of books from the library. librarians pl. share your experience after installing the electronic security gates. Pleasse send me the detailed address of the vendors with approximate cost. Wsith regards, Dr.K.Satyanarayana, Knowledge Resource CEntre, G.I.T.A.M., Visakhapatnam-45,. Andhra Pradesh

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Regarding the reply for security gate
by vandana gambhir 26 May '06

26 May '06

Dr.K.Satyanarayana, Knowledge Resource Centre, The E-security gate is quite beneficial for your library. You can contact to 3 M, Amba Electronic, B-54, Flatted Factories Complex, Jhandewalan, New Delhi-55 Conerned Person E-mail: jitender_k(a)vsnl.net It will cost you about 8 lacks. Vandana Gambhir Pathways World School, Gurgaon --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. Dr.K.Satyanarayana, Knowledge Resource Centre, The E-security gate is quite beneficial for your library. You can contact to 3 M, Amba Electronic, B-54, Flatted Factories Complex, Jhandewalan, New Delhi-55 Conerned Person E-mail: mailto:jitender_k@vsnl.net jitender_k(a)vsnl.net It will cost you about 8 lacks. Vandana Gambhir Pathways World School, Gurgaon Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40791/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/handr… all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

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Re: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 36
by Krishnamurthy M 26 May '06

26 May '06

Here is some of the input from me about OA and OSS: Open Access: Open access, Open Source software, digital libraries are three concepts that have been receiving increased attention in the digital library world. Open access is to scholarly information scholars, and publishes over the last few years. Open access basically calls for scholarly publication to be made free available to libraries and end users. Digital libraries is an integrated set of services for capturing, cataloguing, storing, searching, protecting, and retrieving information, which provide coherent organization and convenient access to typically large amounts of digital information. All three of these concepts are important to libraries individually and they can be leveraged simultaneously. Willinski (2003 ) identified nine flavors of open access. The flavors are : 1.E-prit archive (authors self-archive-pre-or post prints), 2. un qualified (immediate and full open access publication of a journal, 3. dual mode (both-print subscription and open access version of a journal are offered, 4. delayed open access (open access in available after a certain period of time, 5. author free ( authors pay a fee to support open access, 6. partial open access(some articles from a journal are available via open access, 7. per-capita (open access is made available to countries based on per-capita income, 8.abstract (open access available to task of content /abstract 9. co-op ( institutional members support open access journals). Open access helps to ensure long-term access to scholarly articles. Unlike articles that are licensed in traditional article databases, libraries and other can create local copies and repositories of these resources. GNU web site offers the following defintion of OSS: The freedom to run the program, for any purpse (freedom 0). Thre freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs . Access to the source code is a precondition for this. The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits. Access to the source code is precondition for this. (www.gnu.org/philosophy/free.sw.html) M.Krishnamurthy -- Dr.M.Krishnamurthy Librarian Indian Statistical Institute 8th Mile Mysore Road R.V.C.E. Post Bangalore 560059 Ph:91-80-8483002/3/4/4 Fax: 91-80-8484265

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RE: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 34
by LS Venkatesh 26 May '06

26 May '06

Dear friends: While on the subject of OA journals, I thought that those who are interested in this topic will find the white paper on "The Impact of Open Access Journals" by Thomson Scientific very useful. The whitepaper, though published in 2004, is available at the following link and could give some very interesting insight into the evolution of OA journals, the trends, impact factor of OA journals and importantly, the lead from Asia Pacific, contrary to usual western dominance. http://www.thomsonscientific.com/media/presentrep/essayspdf/openaccesscitat… Hope you will find it useful. Regards, Venkatesh ----------- Venkatesh L S General Manager Edutech India Pvt Ltd 8, Khader Nawaz Khan Road Chennai 600 006, India Tel: +91 44 28330999 Fax: +91 44 28331777 GSM: + 91 98403 21214 www.edutechindia.com "Enhancing knowledge and skills for success, lifelong." -----Original Message----- From: lis-forum-bounces(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in [mailto:lis-forum-bounces@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in] On Behalf Of lis-forum-request(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:14 PM To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 34 Send LIS-Forum mailing list submissions to lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to lis-forum-request(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in You can reach the person managing the list at lis-forum-owner(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of LIS-Forum digest..." Today's Topics: 1. REQUEST- DIGITAL LIBRARY PROJECT (suruli nathi) 2. Fw: Welcome to the Discussion (Subbiah Arunachalam) 3. Re: Open Access Journals? (Sukhdev Singh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:48:54 -0700 (PDT) From: suruli nathi <surulinathi_iisc(a)yahoo.com> Subject: [LIS-Forum] REQUEST- DIGITAL LIBRARY PROJECT To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Message-ID: <20060525044854.11910.qmail(a)web53212.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear friends From: "Manimekalai A" <a.manimeka...(a)gmail.com> To: lisnetwork(a)googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:51:22 +0530 Subject: REQUEST- DIGITAL LIBRARY PROJECT Dear Friends, I am doing my PhD work on " Digital Library Projects" . I do like to have the email ID of the Co- Ordinators who are doing the Digital Library Projects to collect some information for my work. Kindly comforward to help me by intimating the Name of the Project and the co ordinator's email ID. Expecting your valuable information thanks & regards, manimekalai a.manimeka...(a)gmail.com -- A.Manimekalai Asst. Librarian, Faculty of Engg. & Tech. Library, Annamalai University Annamalainagar- 608 002. Tamilnadu- INDIA Ph: (o) 04144-239175 Ph: (R)04144-228230 --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

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Casting away the NET
by raja ram 26 May '06

26 May '06

Casting away the NET The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their reservations about this development. It is now official. The University Grants Commission (UGC) has declared that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts for identifying potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral degree. On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report of the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry of Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to revamp the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, has been accepted in principle. Report recommendation The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate courses and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching postgraduate courses. This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in Kerala. Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw this announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is pretty much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality teachers are to be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges. Dissenting voices "This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of mediocrity as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in this university anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate examination can sign up for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. There is no such thing as turning down a thesis. There is no evaluation by a foreign expert." "Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the All Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC has always been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions from the NET. "In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who can be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda in this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for some subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption needs to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders and Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for quality teaching," he says. Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move of the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the country who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are seeking to get a Ph.D. Flawed decision There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and broad-base the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K. Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of linking M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed. "A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure you should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. The method adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good in this respect. Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is going to be a spurt in the number of M.Phils. being offered by colleges. In no time there will also be M.Phil. in the distance education mode. Then all those people are going to try and become teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future the NET - in another form - becomes compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks. Broad-basing NET Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says the need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to do away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of having a nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be broad-based so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time the Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows for trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the NET for English can also teach such subjects as communicative English, linguistics or journalism. Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if the Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be done away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide debate among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr. Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of thousands of students." G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala. --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download now Casting away the NET The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their reservations about this development. It is now official. The University Grants Commission (UGC) has declared that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts for identifying potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral degree. On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report of the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry of Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to revamp the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, has been accepted in principle. Report recommendation The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate courses and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching postgraduate courses. This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in Kerala. Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw this announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is pretty much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality teachers are to be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges. Dissenting voices "This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of Commerce, University of Kerala . "It will open the floodgates of mediocrity as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in this university anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate examination can sign up for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. There is no such thing as turning down a thesis. There is no evaluation by a foreign expert." "Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the All Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC has always been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions from the NET. "In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who can be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda in this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for some subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption needs to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders and Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for quality teaching," he says. Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move of the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the country who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are seeking to get a Ph.D. Flawed decision There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and broad-base the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K. Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of linking M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed. "A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure you should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. The method adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good in this respect. Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is going to be a spurt in the number of M.Phils. being offered by colleges. In no time there will also be M.Phil. in the distance education mode. Then all those people are going to try and become teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future the NET - in another form - becomes compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks. Broad-basing NET Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says the need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to do away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of having a nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be broad-based so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam. Right from the time the Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows for trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the NET for English can also teach such subjects as communicative English, linguistics or journalism. Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if the Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be done away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide debate among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr. Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of thousands of students." G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/in/mailanswersshare/*http://in.answers.yahoo.co… Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! 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Workshop on E-Resources and IPR issues 14-16 June 2006
by D Jotwani 26 May '06

26 May '06

Dear All The Central Library, IIT Bombay shall be organizing a 3-days Training Workshop on e-Resources and IPR Issues on 14-16 June 2006. The main objective of the workshop is to expose participants to the relevance of IPR issues vis-a-vis usage of e-resources. Thanks to the success of the Consortia model of acquisition, libraries have been able to provide access to several thousands e-books and journals to their users without the constraints of space and time. While applications of Information and Communication Technologies and Consortia approach have benefited large number of libraries and their users, it has added responsibilities to ensure that the usage is made within the framework of Intellectual Property Rights and the interests of the creators of information/knowledge are protected. Library and information professionals providing e-resources-based information services have important role to play in this area and this workshop will provide them with a broader view of the implications of IPR while discharging their responsibilities and serving their users. Only 30-35 participants, on first-come-first-served basis, will be taken for the course from IITs, IISc, NITs, other engineering colleges, scientific and technical institutions. Preference will be given to those from INDEST/AICTE Consortium participating institutions. Two participants from the consortium participating institutes will be provided free registration. Other participants will be charged Rs 1000-/ as registration fee which includes workshop kit, hostel accommodation, working lunch, and tea/coffee during sessions. TA/DA will have to be borne by the participants or their sponsoring organizations. Participants desiring registration fee concession may kindly submit their application thru parent organization. For more details please visit : http://www.library.iitb.ac.in/news/workshop.pdf -- D. Jotwani Librarian Indian Institute of Technology Bombay Powai, Mumbai 400076 Phone 91-22-25768920, 91-22-25720227

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RANGANATHAN RESEARCH CIRCLE monthly Meeting 27th May 2006
by Swapan Patra 26 May '06

26 May '06

The 121st Monthly Meeting of RRC will be held on on 27th May, 2006 (4th Saturday) at 10.00 hrs. *Venue : NASSDOC, 35 Firoze Shah Road (near Mandi House)* *New Delhi-110001* * * *Topic : Advances in Digital Library* * * *Speaker : Ms. Tulika Pandey* *Additional Director,* *Department of Information Technology, New Delhi* * * The 121st Monthly Meeting of RRC will be held on on 27th May, 2006 (4th Saturday) at 10.00 hrs. Venue : NASSDOC, 35 Firoze Shah Road (near Mandi House) New Delhi-110001 Topic : Advances in Digital Library Speaker : Ms. Tulika Pandey Additional Director, Department of Information Technology, New Delhi

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Re: [LIS-Forum] NET/SET stop discussion do action
by Vijay Raghav Tiwari 25 May '06

25 May '06

On Wed, 24 May 2006 Monali Panchbhai wrote : >Hi, >Dear Monali I think you have been the first to say such words that NET/SLET candidates are below standards. I dont know how much you know about all who have cleared this examination. But certainly I feel commenting about any one has become very easy, because it does not refelct on any one's face. Next thing you said about the librarian's and library's reference by the students. I would say that the references about both can never be so positive because of the following reasons: 1. Library impose rules, students dont want to follow any rules. 2. Librarian does not have any direct role in their markings at all as teacher have, may be in practicals or sessional markings. 3. Losses in the library do have a direct bearing on the librarian, hence he or she has to be more carefull about the use of the library. 4. Comments you can hear about any teacher too who does not have direct bearing on their marking/grading system. Please do not take comments about any one that so and so is below standard. Any exam which was difficult and was devised so many experts , how it can be useless? It is the irony in our country that opposition is made normally for opposition sake and sometimes by self interests too. Please think again while commenting on any one straight. regards vrt >I do not know who told my respected friends that those who have cleared NET / SET have opted standards and quality? Its been observed that, just because of NET and / or SET clearance few undeserved candidates gets job. There are professionals who hold certificates in NET / SET but can not build a good image of profession in society, do not have enthusiasm in teaching and / or servicing the need of users. Even students can clearly mark their negative qualities. Tell me how many college going students actually say some good things about their librarian? Everyone makes faces when the topic of library or librarian comes into discussion. One can easily observe this in surrounding specially while traveling with young generation. > >In such cases whats the use of their certificates of NET/SET exams? > >If private sector ensures the best candidate for their profitability and if professionals with NET/SET are supposed to be the best then why our MNCs and private sectors are yet away from having that as one of the major selection criteria for candidate? Infact the payments in these sectors are like anything and thus they can demand for the best as well. But I think they go for skills and not for certificates which can be obtained through a completely opaque system like these eligibility examinations. Tell me how many students who can not clear these exams even after several attempts, actually know the paper which becomes cause of failure? There is no transparency in examination results and thus it does not help students for preparations of next attempt. > > >One of our friends has stated that A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher need not be a good teacher thus M. Phil and Ph.D. as well have to go through these examinations. But can anyone tell me which section of NET / SET exam actually checks teaching skills of candidates? > >People from private sectors do their best to update themselves and cater the need of their organizations. But people from public sector has secure job and thus do not take much efforts to give someting best, which spoils the image of profession and professionals both. > >Thus I personally think that the exemption of these examinations is a good start and at same time instead of debating NET/SET/Ph.D./M.Phil etc. we should think of improving quality of our profession. Cause our educational system is such that neither clearing any of eligibility tests nor having any degree assures the quality. And our professionals who works as guide for Ph. D. and M. Phil students should take care that they allocate degree to a proper candidate. They can also try to either ban those universities who give fake degree to students or force them to wind up their activity so that we get quality. > >There should be a committee where anyone can complain against those professionals who are spoiling the image of profession. And the rights should be given to that committee so that they can take serious actions against the candidate (Like in Medical profession they have rights to take away the degree of doctor). This will automatically help to maintain the quality. And people will do their best to serve the profession. > >Regards, > >Monali >Sr. Exe. - Library & Documentation >Mumbai. > From: "Dr.H.S.Siddmallaiah" <sidda(a)nimhans.kar.nic.in> >To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>, "lis" <lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>, "corporatelibrns Moderator" <corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com>, "raja ram" <raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> >Subject: [LIS-Forum] Dont hang on to NET >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:48:19 +0530 >>Dear Friends >> >>UGC have honoured university colleagues >> >>If university people are not confident >>on their own product >>why don't they close M.Phil or Ph.D., >> >>on Contrary Ph.D., is mandatory for teacher in their >>promotion, irrespective of whether they are through with >>NET or not. >>If NET is everything why Ph.D., why don.t you call it like an IAS in >>academic. >> >>Research or academic activities are mindset, culture and need to be >>acquired through practice and actual research not just one exam >> >>Please be proactive to creativity and grow up to expectation by >>creating better products in university. Do not underestimate your >>own product. >>Good or bad is a comparative value, >>there is no benchmark for it >> >>With regards >>Dr.H.S.Siddamallaiah >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "raja ram" >><raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> >>To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>; "lis" >><lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>; "corporatelibrns Moderator" >><corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:40 PM >>Subject: [nmlis] Casting away the NET >> >> >> >>Casting away the NET >> >>The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their >> >>reservations about this development. It is now official. The >>University Grants Commission (UGC) has declared >> >>that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts for identifying >> >>potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an >> >>eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral >>degree. >> >>On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report >>of >> >>the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry >>of >> >>Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to >>revamp >> >>the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an >> >>eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, >>has been accepted in principle. >> >>Report recommendation >> >>The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be >> >>exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate >>courses and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching >>postgraduate courses. >> >>This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in >>Kerala. >> >>Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw >>this >> >>announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these >> >>academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is >>pretty much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a >> >>national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality teachers >>are to be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges. >> >>Dissenting voices >> >>"This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of >> >>Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of >>mediocrity as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in >>this university anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate >>examination can sign up for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for >>Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. There is no such thing as turning down >>a thesis. There is no evaluation by a foreign expert." >> >>"Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for >> >>M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the >>All Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC >>has always been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions >> from the NET. >> >> >> >>"In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who >>can >> >>be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda >>in >> >>this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for >>some >> >>subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption >>needs >> >>to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders >>and >> >>Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for >>quality >> >>teaching," he says. >> >>Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move >>of >> >>the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not >> >>thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the >>country who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are >>seeking to get a Ph.D. >> >>Flawed decision >> >>There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have >> >>better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and >>broad-base >> >>the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K. >> >>Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of >>linking M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed. >> >> >> >>"A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher >> >>need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure >>you should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. >>The method adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good >>in this respect. Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is >>going to be a spurt in the number of M.Phils. being offered by >>colleges. In no time there will also be M.Phil. in the distance >>education mode. Then all those people are going to try and become >>teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future the NET >>- in another form - becomes >> >>compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks. >> >>Broad-basing NET >> >>Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says >>the >> >>need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to >>do >> >>away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of >>having a >> >>nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be >>broad-based >> >>so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The >> >>Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time >>the Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had >> >>argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows >>for >> >>trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the >>NET for English can also teach such subjects as communicative >>English, >> >>linguistics or journalism. >> >>Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if >>the >> >>Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be >>done >> >>away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide >>debate >> >>among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr. >> >>Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of >>thousands of students." >> >>G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala. >> >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom >>Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger >>Download now >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >>--------------------~--> >>Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy >>technology. It's free. >>http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/HDfwlB/TM >>--------------------------------------------------------------------~-> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >><*> To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nmlis/ >> >><*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> nmlis-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com >> >><*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>LIS-Forum mailing list >>LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >>http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum >_______________________________________________ >LIS-Forum mailing list >LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in >http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum Dr. Vijay Raghav Tiwari Librarian Harish Chandra Research Institute (Department of Atomic Energy, Govt of India) Chhatnag Road,Jhunsi,Allahabad -211 019. Phone.91-532-2668302(O), 0532-2274325 (O), 0532-2274064 (R) <vrtiwari(a)mri.ernet.in> On Wed, 24 May 2006 Monali Panchbhai wrote : >Hi, >Dear Monali I think you have been the first to say such words that NET/SLET candidates are below standards. I dont know how much you know about all who have cleared this examination. But certainly I feel commenting about any one has become very easy, because it does not refelct on any one's face. Next thing you said about the librarian's and library's reference by the students. I would say that the references about both can never be so positive because of the following reasons: 1. Library impose rules, students dont want to follow any rules. 2. Librarian does not have any direct role in their markings at all as teacher have, may be in practicals or sessional markings. 3. Losses in the library do have a direct bearing on the librarian, hence he or she has to be more carefull about the use of the library. 4. Comments you can hear about any teacher too who does not have direct bearing on their marking/grading system. Please do not take comments about any one that so and so is below standard. Any exam which was difficult and was devised so many experts , how it can be useless? It is the irony in our country that opposition is made normally for opposition sake and sometimes by self interests too. Please think again while commenting on any one straight. regards vrt >I do not know who told my respected friends that those who have cleared NET / SET have opted standards and quality? Its been observed that, just because of NET and / or SET clearance few undeserved candidates gets job. There are professionals who hold certificates in NET / SET but can not build a good image of profession in society, do not have enthusiasm in teaching and / or servicing the need of users. Even students can clearly mark their negative qualities. Tell me how many college going students actually say some good things about their librarian? Everyone makes faces when the topic of library or librarian comes into discussion. One can easily observe this in surrounding specially while traveling with young generation. > >In such cases whats the use of their certificates of NET/SET exams? > >If private sector ensures the best candidate for their profitability and if professionals with NET/SET are supposed to be the best then why our MNCs and private sectors are yet away from having that as one of the major selection criteria for candidate? Infact the payments in these sectors are like anything and thus they can demand for the best as well. But I think they go for skills and not for certificates which can be obtained through a completely opaque system like these eligibility examinations. Tell me how many students who can not clear these exams even after several attempts, actually know the paper which becomes cause of failure? There is no transparency in examination results and thus it does not help students for preparations of next attempt. > > >One of our friends has stated that A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher need not be a good teacher thus M. Phil and Ph.D. as well have to go through these examinations. But can anyone tell me which section of NET / SET exam actually checks teaching skills of candidates? > >People from private sectors do their best to update themselves and cater the need of their organizations. But people from public sector has secure job and thus do not take much efforts to give someting best, which spoils the image of profession and professionals both. > >Thus I personally think that the exemption of these examinations is a good start and at same time instead of debating NET/SET/Ph.D./M.Phil etc. we should think of improving quality of our profession. Cause our educational system is such that neither clearing any of eligibility tests nor having any degree assures the quality. And our professionals who works as guide for Ph. D. and M. Phil students should take care that they allocate degree to a proper candidate. They can also try to either ban those universities who give fake degree to students or force them to wind up their activity so that we get quality. > >There should be a committee where anyone can complain against those professionals who are spoiling the image of profession. And the rights should be given to that committee so that they can take serious actions against the candidate (Like in Medical profession they have rights to take away the degree of doctor). This will automatically help to maintain the quality. And people will do their best to serve the profession. > >Regards, > >Monali >Sr. Exe. - Library & Documentation >Mumbai. > From: "Dr.H.S.Siddmallaiah" <sidda(a)nimhans.kar.nic.in> >To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>, "lis" <lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>, "corporatelibrns Moderator" <corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com>, "raja ram" <raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> >Subject: [LIS-Forum] Dont hang on to NET >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:48:19 +0530 >>Dear Friends >> >>UGC have honoured university colleagues >> >>If university people are not confident >>on their own product >>why don't they close M.Phil or Ph.D., >> >>on Contrary Ph.D., is mandatory for teacher in their >>promotion, irrespective of whether they are through with >>NET or not. >>If NET is everything why Ph.D., why don.t you call it like an IAS in >>academic. >> >>Research or academic activities are mindset, culture and need to be >>acquired through practice and actual research not just one exam >> >>Please be proactive to creativity and grow up to expectation by >>creating better products in university. Do not underestimate your >>own product. >>Good or bad is a comparative value, >>there is no benchmark for it >> >>With regards >>Dr.H.S.Siddamallaiah >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "raja ram" >><raj_lib001(a)yahoo.co.in> >>To: "nmlis" <nmlis(a)yahoogroups.com>; "lis" >><lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>; "corporatelibrns Moderator" >><corporatelibrns(a)yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:40 PM >>Subject: [nmlis] Casting away the NET >> >> >> >>Casting away the NET >> >>The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their >> >>reservations about this development. It is now official. The >>University Grants Commission (UGC) has declared >> >>that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts for identifying >> >>potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an >> >>eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral >>degree. >> >>On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report >>of >> >>the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry >>of >> >>Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to >>revamp >> >>the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an >> >>eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, >>has been accepted in principle. >> >>Report recommendation >> >>The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be >> >>exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate >>courses and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching >>postgraduate courses. >> >>This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in >>Kerala. >> >>Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw >>this >> >>announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these >> >>academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is >>pretty much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a >> >>national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality teachers >>are to be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges. >> >>Dissenting voices >> >>"This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of >> >>Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of >>mediocrity as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in >>this university anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate >>examination can sign up for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for >>Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. There is no such thing as turning down >>a thesis. There is no evaluation by a foreign expert." >> >>"Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for >> >>M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the >>All Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC >>has always been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions >> from the NET. >> >> >> >>"In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who >>can >> >>be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda >>in >> >>this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for >>some >> >>subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption >>needs >> >>to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders >>and >> >>Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for >>quality >> >>teaching," he says. >> >>Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move >>of >> >>the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not >> >>thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the >>country who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are >>seeking to get a Ph.D. >> >>Flawed decision >> >>There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have >> >>better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and >>broad-base >> >>the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K. >> >>Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of >>linking M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed. >> >> >> >>"A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher >> >>need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure >>you should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. >>The method adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good >>in this respect. Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is >>going to be a spurt in the number of M.Phils. being offered by >>colleges. In no time there will also be M.Phil. in the distance >>education mode. Then all those people are going to try and become >>teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future the NET >>- in another form - becomes >> >>compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks. >> >>Broad-basing NET >> >>Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says >>the >> >>need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to >>do >> >>away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of >>having a >> >>nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be >>broad-based >> >>so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The >> >>Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time >>the Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had >> >>argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows >>for >> >>trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the >>NET for English can also teach such subjects as communicative >>English, >> >>linguistics or journalism. >> >>Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if >>the >> >>Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be >>done >> >>away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide >>debate >> >>among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr. >> >>Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of >>thousands of students." >> >>G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala. >> >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> Yahoo! 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