August 2003 - LIS-Forum - ncsi.iisc.ernet.in

RE: [LIS-Forum] Do our Scientists deserve high bandwidths?
by Mailing List Manager 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:09:18 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Dr Vyasamoorthy has raised a pertinent point and I like his frank expression of his views which might offend at least some of our colleagues in the labs! As it happens often, in ny given situation it is difficult to determine which is the cause and which is the effect. For a pretty long time, we were unable to provide decent infrastructure support to our scientists and doctoral students. It is not only in the provision of information; even in the provision of laboratory infrastructure (equipment, chemicals, reagents, etc.). Doing science under such circumstances, many of our scientists might have lost some of their enthusiasm. I believe that if we provide the proper environment (including facilities), there will be a change for the better. Especially, when there are low-cost options (providing information through open access and Internet, both of which are spreading fast and becoming cheaper), we should give them a try. Giving up is easy, but it can transform our country into a better place to live for us and our children. As a young scientist in a national laboratory, I often found it extremely difficult to be able to attend and speak at international conferences to which I was invited because of the attitude of officers who had the power to permit or disallow my participation in such meetings! But now things have changed. Arun

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Do our Scientists deserve high bandwidths?
by Mailing List Manager 04 Aug '03

04 Aug '03

Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:28:04 +0530 From: VYASAMOORTHY /IKP/HYD <Vyasamoorthy(a)icicikp.com> Dear Mr Arun & friends, I really wonder whether our scientists deserve (they may desire, though)such high bandwidth. In my opinion they are incapable of using even the meger internet bandwidth that they already have. Scientists in India were the first group of persons to enjoy internet based email via ERNET. I have not seen many scientists from India (Indians abroad are an exception) taking part in Newsnet newsgroups in any worthwhile manner. Most of the discussion fourums started enthusiastically die for want of participation. INFLIBNET Experts database, after having been in place for over a year does not have more than 12K profiles. This was based on a very good model of getting the database self-populated by the community. Compare it with Community of Science website. Recently a private firm in Bangalore sent out 3000+ email letters to Indian scientists - every one of whom is an author of some science paper or the other - asking them to try out free of charge some web based IT facility that would help them keep in touch with their colleagues: How many do you think responded? Not even one percent! My own experience in having organised JCCC@VIC has not been very encouraging -- there are no takers for this consortium effort. Others' experiences may be different but mine are sour. Regards Vyasamoorthy, P -----Original Message----- From: Mailing List Manager [mailto:mailman@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:58 PM To: lis-forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Subject: [LIS-Forum] Competition spurs broadband in Europe (fwd) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:03:57 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Friends: Almost everyone in Belgium - at least 98% of them - have broadband access of 3Mbps or better! Up to six times faster than the service available in France or Britain. Where do we stand in India? Even our research scientists cannot boast of such bandwidth. Let us do something about it and quickly. Our scientists deserve it. Regards. Arun -Original Message----- From: Andy Carvin [mailto:acarvin@benton.org] Subject: Competition spurs broadband in Europe (fwd) Also from today's Benton headlines.... -ac COMPETITION SPURS BROADBAND IN EUROPE A new report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development suggests that European countries that promote competition among telecom and cable providers show faster adoption of broadband Internet services. The report warned governments against propping up the telecom industry in exchange for broadband build-out. "Incumbent operators are using their economic influence on governments to say, 'If you are nice to us we will deliver broadband,' but what the OECD numbers show is that competition between operators is what delivers broadband," said Ewan Sutherland, director general of the Brussels-based International Telecommunications Users Group. Evidence shows that Germany, once the leader in broadband growth, has been overtaken by the more competitive environment in Belgium, where 98 percent of the country has access to at least 3Mbps service - up to six times faster than the transmissions available in France or Britain. The United States has fallen from 3rd to 10th in the OECD rankings, primarily because the prices and speeds offered by phone companies have not matched those offered by cable. Asian countries have used government subsidies to stimulate the markets have resulted in additional competition and lower prices, allowing the region to take the lead in broadband deployment. SOURCE: E-Commerce News; AUTHORL Jennifer L. Schenker http://www.ecommercetimes.com/perl/story/31231.html _______________________________________________ LIS-Forum mailing list LIS-Forum(a)ncsi.iisc.ernet.in http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum

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Competition spurs broadband in Europe (fwd)
by Mailing List Manager 04 Aug '03

04 Aug '03

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:03:57 +0530 From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun(a)mssrf.res.in> Friends: Almost everyone in Belgium - at least 98% of them - have broadband access of 3Mbps or better! Up to six times faster than the service available in France or Britain. Where do we stand in India? Even our research scientists cannot boast of such bandwidth. Let us do something about it and quickly. Our scientists deserve it. Regards. Arun -Original Message----- From: Andy Carvin [mailto:acarvin@benton.org] Subject: Competition spurs broadband in Europe (fwd) Also from today's Benton headlines.... -ac COMPETITION SPURS BROADBAND IN EUROPE A new report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development suggests that European countries that promote competition among telecom and cable providers show faster adoption of broadband Internet services. The report warned governments against propping up the telecom industry in exchange for broadband build-out. "Incumbent operators are using their economic influence on governments to say, 'If you are nice to us we will deliver broadband,' but what the OECD numbers show is that competition between operators is what delivers broadband," said Ewan Sutherland, director general of the Brussels-based International Telecommunications Users Group. Evidence shows that Germany, once the leader in broadband growth, has been overtaken by the more competitive environment in Belgium, where 98 percent of the country has access to at least 3Mbps service - up to six times faster than the transmissions available in France or Britain. The United States has fallen from 3rd to 10th in the OECD rankings, primarily because the prices and speeds offered by phone companies have not matched those offered by cable. Asian countries have used government subsidies to stimulate the markets have resulted in additional competition and lower prices, allowing the region to take the lead in broadband deployment. SOURCE: E-Commerce News; AUTHORL Jennifer L. Schenker http://www.ecommercetimes.com/perl/story/31231.html

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