RE: GOC Rates for month of July' 2004
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:14:11 +0100 (BST)
From: "[iso-8859-1] Prof. N. Laxman Rao."
Dear Friends, I agree with Professor Laxman Rao's email. In our institute (IUCAA, Pune), we were purchasing books against GOC. However, in 1998, we discontinued this practice and have since started purchasing books as well as journal subscription based on the bank exchange rate. Initially, no local bookseller agreed to this requirement. In fact a few booksellers even wrote to our Director! For some time there was not a single bookseller supplying books to IUCAA from Pune. However we stuck to our decision, and observed that in the following year the same booksellers who had earlier refused to do business based on the bank exchange rate came forward and agreed to our terms. regards, Mrs Nirupama Bawdekar S/T Officer C,Library On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Mailing List Manager wrote:
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:14:11 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Prof. N. Laxman Rao."
Dear Friends I have read the discussion, and I would like to make some comments and after wards I shall give my opinion 1. Do we find some relationship between us and publisher or not? 2. Our main concern is to purchase books, and many librarians are not having the selection sources / catalogues and they are not aware of the existing technology, infrastructure, books. Many librarians find the information as a sort of awareness 3. If we do not like to hav it or read it, u have an option to delete. once we start reading the mail. we understand and can be deleted. 4. how many professional memebres are sending useful messages. should we remove all of them from the group? important:
Can we make use of the message from different dimension?
Do we have GOC? Is it authorised by th Govt- now Govt is not participating. how far it is authentic? if it is not authentic, why no one is commenting on the aspect of illegality or irrelevance of the GOC rates.Who are the members? what is their authenticity), as i understand the IOLA have denied to associate with the GOC. People say that it is being fixed at the behest of few under the pressure of the select publisher ( subject to correction)
Do you think that we should purchase the documents by paying GOC rates/ In almost all the academic libraries in south stopped purchase of periodicals throught GOC rates. mainly due to the fact that, by paying almost 5-6 %extra- for a budget of 25 lakhs it works out to be1.25 laks extra.
therefore almost all the libraries have stopped purchasing the periodicals by GOC rates and they pay only bank rates. Is it justified to pay extra 5-6% to the publisher / Book seller? Let us insist not to pay extra 5-6% of the value, when we r undergoing the financial limitations.
Now it is high time we pay actual rates in the stabilised economy. ( the GOC was to fix rates in volatile environment). Similarly any thing related to the profession may be permitted by the group. It gives an opportunity to many people to understand and know the issues. let our professional friends examine and write the critical comment on the messages.
thanks laxman rao
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I had gathered two years data to compare the difference between bank rate and GOC rate. I observed that the difference had exceeded 6% during some of the months during 2000 and 2001. During 1990's, the agreement between the then members of the Federation and librarians was to pay a markup of 2% over bank rate to negate the effect of fluctuations, which looked reasonable. Later, when this 2% markup was not agreable to the Federation, the librarians representing GOC withdrew. Some of the Delhi libraries are following ILA rates. Can I request the Delhi librarians to throw some light on it ? This issue of huge difference in exchange rate was discussed in a meeting organized by Mumbai's IASLIC chapter at British Library during April 2001. During this workshop I had made a small presentation on the data and suggested that bank rate for journals subscription. Majority of the members who were presented during the meeting agreed that libraries need to insist on Bank rate for journals, as the renewal is done once a year. To offset this problem in case of books, one can ask for more discount than recommended by GOC as this incovenient to check bank rate every day. Many booksuppliers are now offering 15% and some even 20%. Therefore, with this kind of arrangment, the GOC problem does not look too serious. G.K.MANJUNATH ************************************************** CHIEF LIBRARIAN INDIRA GANDHI INSTITUTE OF DEVELOPMENT RESEARCH FILM CITY ROAD ( GEN.VAIDYA MARG ) SANTOSH NAGAR GOREGAON ( EAST ) MUMBAI - 400 065 INDIA e-mail : gkm@igidr.ac.in http:// www.igidr.ac.in/lib/library.htm phone 22-8490653 ************************************************ in case regarding On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Nirupama Bawdekar wrote:
Dear Friends,
I agree with Professor Laxman Rao's email. In our institute (IUCAA, Pune), we were purchasing books against GOC. However, in 1998, we discontinued this practice and have since started purchasing books as well as journal subscription based on the bank exchange rate. Initially, no local bookseller agreed to this requirement. In fact a few booksellers even wrote to our Director! For some time there was not a single bookseller supplying books to IUCAA from Pune.
However we stuck to our decision, and observed that in the following year the same booksellers who had earlier refused to do business based on the bank exchange rate came forward and agreed to our terms.
regards,
Mrs Nirupama Bawdekar S/T Officer C,Library
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Mailing List Manager wrote:
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:14:11 +0100 (BST) From: "[iso-8859-1] Prof. N. Laxman Rao."
Dear Friends I have read the discussion, and I would like to make some comments and after wards I shall give my opinion 1. Do we find some relationship between us and publisher or not? 2. Our main concern is to purchase books, and many librarians are not having the selection sources / catalogues and they are not aware of the existing technology, infrastructure, books. Many librarians find the information as a sort of awareness 3. If we do not like to hav it or read it, u have an option to delete. once we start reading the mail. we understand and can be deleted. 4. how many professional memebres are sending useful messages. should we remove all of them from the group? important:
Can we make use of the message from different dimension?
Do we have GOC? Is it authorised by th Govt- now Govt is not participating. how far it is authentic? if it is not authentic, why no one is commenting on the aspect of illegality or irrelevance of the GOC rates.Who are the members? what is their authenticity), as i understand the IOLA have denied to associate with the GOC. People say that it is being fixed at the behest of few under the pressure of the select publisher ( subject to correction)
Do you think that we should purchase the documents by paying GOC rates/ In almost all the academic libraries in south stopped purchase of periodicals throught GOC rates. mainly due to the fact that, by paying almost 5-6 %extra- for a budget of 25 lakhs it works out to be1.25 laks extra.
therefore almost all the libraries have stopped purchasing the periodicals by GOC rates and they pay only bank rates. Is it justified to pay extra 5-6% to the publisher / Book seller? Let us insist not to pay extra 5-6% of the value, when we r undergoing the financial limitations.
Now it is high time we pay actual rates in the stabilised economy. ( the GOC was to fix rates in volatile environment). Similarly any thing related to the profession may be permitted by the group. It gives an opportunity to many people to understand and know the issues. let our professional friends examine and write the critical comment on the messages.
thanks laxman rao
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One option that we have been using is to send the list of books that we want to few vendors and ask them to indicate the best possible discount and the time period of delivery. Our terms - payment against bill (no advance payment), bank rate on the date of the bill. We have been able to get discounts ranging from 20% to 30% Dr. S. Krishnan NCL --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004
J R D Tata Memorial Library, at Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore is also following the same procedure as NCL by sending the list of books published by foreign publishers that we want to procure asking them to quote the rate of discount and also the possible time of delivery. Whoever gives the highest discount (it ranges from 21% to 34%) , orders will be placed with those vendors. And also the vendors delivers the book with the price proof and we also verify the price by visiting publishers' websites and we are paying them Bank Rate (SBI) prevailing on the date of billing. By this procedure, our library is saving quite a good amount by way of discount, which we are using to update our Reference collection. Dr. Uma Jagannath Deputy Librarian J R D Tata Memorial Library Indian Institute of Science Bangalore 560012 Tel.No. 22932868 E-Mail: uma@library.iisc.ernet.in On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Krishnan wrote:
One option that we have been using is to send the list of books that we want to few vendors and ask them to indicate the best possible discount and the time period of delivery. Our terms - payment against bill (no advance payment), bank rate on the date of the bill. We have been able to get discounts ranging from 20% to 30%
Dr. S. Krishnan NCL
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The quotation system followed by some of the libraries seems to be good. At the same time, it also shows that books in some of the specialised area are over priced. Let us assume that a new book, procured through quotation system, get a discount of 30% discount. The overheads, postage and book sellers discount, etc, will come to another 15% ( plus or minus 3% ). Ultimately it is evident that publishers are deliberately overpricing the books, keeping maximum margins to help the wholesalers/retailers. This is a marketing strategy followed by many in the world of business. The quotation system has failed in some of the reputed libraries for various reasons. I very much appreciate such librarians to come forward to explain the reasons. Therefore, another option to solve the problem is to put pressure on the publishers to reduce the catalogue price. Who will do? Can we look at our library associations to take up such matters with publishers? Can these associations also announce a discount rate which can be consistently followed by all the libraries? Euro money, for example does not offer any discount or has a fixed discount. They blacklist such agents who do not stick on their trade policy. g.k.manjunath IGIDR, MUMBAI On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, uma jaganath wrote:
J R D Tata Memorial Library, at Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore is also following the same procedure as NCL by sending the list of books published by foreign publishers that we want to procure asking them to quote the rate of discount and also the possible time of delivery. Whoever gives the highest discount (it ranges from 21% to 34%) , orders will be placed with those vendors. And also the vendors delivers the book with the price proof and we also verify the price by visiting publishers' websites and we are paying them Bank Rate (SBI) prevailing on the date of billing. By this procedure, our library is saving quite a good amount by way of discount, which we are using to update our Reference collection.
Dr. Uma Jagannath Deputy Librarian J R D Tata Memorial Library Indian Institute of Science Bangalore 560012
Tel.No. 22932868
E-Mail: uma@library.iisc.ernet.in
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Krishnan wrote:
One option that we have been using is to send the list of books that we want to few vendors and ask them to indicate the best possible discount and the time period of delivery. Our terms - payment against bill (no advance payment), bank rate on the date of the bill. We have been able to get discounts ranging from 20% to 30%
Dr. S. Krishnan NCL
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It all depends on who sends out the request for quotations. If this is done by the purchase department, there could be undue delays. If librarians can handle this on there own, I don’t see any problem Dr. S. Krishnan National Chemical Lab, PUNE 411008, INDIA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004
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