Friends: I just listened to a talk by Prof. Thomas Pradeu, coordinator of the Institute for Philosophy in Biology and Medicine https://www.philinbiomed.org/, CNRS, on why science needs philosophy. Here is the link to the talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE03FDdCR-Y He talks about philosophy *in* science as distinct from philosophy *of* science. I want all members of this list who use or are interested in bibliometrics to listen to the talk. Prof. Pradeu has divided his talk (indeed the 2021 Annual Public Lecture at the Indian Academy of Sciences) into three parts, one of them devoted to bibliometrics. Prof. P Balaram, former director of IISc and former editor of *Current Science*, has often lamented that bibliometrics is being used in India, mostly by members of the LIS community, in ways bordering on the ridiculous and in ways the founder of citation indexing in science and the social sciences, Dr Garfield, would not have approved. Prof. Pradeu and colleagues have used bibliometrics (as one of many tools/approaches) brilliantly to show how philosophy can be used to advance science. The LIS community should be indebted to the Academy for having invited Prof. Pradeu to give the public lecture in this year's Annual Meeting and making the talk available as an excellently produced video recording. In 2018, they had invited the indefatigable crusader for making all knowledge open, Carl Malamud. Best wishes. Arun http://orcid.org/0000-0002-4398-4658 http://www.researcherid.com/rid/B-9925-2009 -- Arun http://orcid.org/0000-0002-4398-4658 http://www.researcherid.com/rid/B-9925-2009 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.