should lis-forum allow commercial vendors as members?
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:12:24 +0530 From: Vyasamoorthy@icicikp.com Request to moderator of Lis-forum: If contents are OK with you, please = permit the entire message with all forwarded messages - just this time ; = this would give the background needed for discussion. Thanks. = Vyasamoorthy, P Dear All, Please see postings of: Rajendra Babu, Maduresh Singhal, Mukesh Anand = quoted below. I have no dilemma on this issue. We should allow all who are likely to = benefit librarians' community and promote (I would not say protect) our = interests. After all we do depend upon vendors for supply of books = periodicals & documents. What is wrong if they join and get to know our = problems, perspectives and feelings? Things might change for the better. There are many occasions in Lis-Forum where requests for sourcing old = books, info on RFID, info on certain software etc came up; I have = forwarded them individually to suitable vendors for action. Enquirers = have benefited. If library suppliers are part of the forum they could = respond directly to individual's requirements -- if answering via forum = may be looked upon as 'commercial' activity. Moreover, we, in VIC act as providers of information, literature = searches, documents etc to our customers by procuring the same from = other sources including libraries, commercial book sellers, publishers = and online sources. As we act as intermediaries we have interests of = librarians (as we are librarians) and that of vendors as we are vendors = too. I do not find anything bad, unwelcome, un-holy about commercial = activities. We should shed this inhibition of allowing commercial = fellows into our fold. Government Institutions still have this "Us" and = "they" attitude strongly entrenched in them. This must go. However when = one section of the society tends to unnecessarily exploit the other to = their undue advantage then that has to be checked. This correction will = occur automatically as and when aberrations happen. Regards, Dr.P.Vyasamoorthy, Advisor, Virtual Information Centre,=20 ICICI Knowledge Park, Genome Valley, Turkapally, Shameerpet Mandal,=20 RR District, Hyderabad 500078 INDIA=20 Email: vyasamoorthy@icicikp.com=20 Phone - Office: +91(40)23480053 Fax: +91(40)23480007 Phone Residence: = +91(40)27846631=20 -----Original Message----- From: Madhuresh [mailto:madhuresh_s@aurigene.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:29 AM To: Babu Rajendra; G. K. Manjunath; VYASAMOORTHY /IKP/HYD; Prof. = N.Laxman Rao Subject: RE: GOC Rates for month of July' 2004 Dear Babu, I feel that announcing the GOC rates is not a commercial activity. It is = just information which may be useful for us. Now regarding the question of allowing vendors to become a member of = professional forum, I feel any one can become the member as it would be = difficult for Moderator to find out whether a person is a vendor or not, = however their postings can be moderated. Again, these vendors may be = useful for supplying the information if any professional member needs = it, e.g., if a professional want to implement RFID and s/he expressed = her/his desire in the forum, vendor may directly contact.=20 I have seen so many mails in various forums in which professionals have = promoted their own products specially books. I am not sure whether to = take this as a commercial activity or to announce their professional = growth and to make others aware about such products/books. I personally = feel that this could also be taken as informative announcement. But I am = interested to know the views of others regarding this. Regards. Madhuresh Singhal Electronic City, phase II, Hosur Road, Bangalore 560100 Phone 28521314-16 Ext.- 422 Mobile 98861 82822 E-mail: mailto:madhureshsinghal@yahoo.com madhureshsinghal@yahoo.com=20 http://nettalk2.tripod.com/=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Babu Rajendra [mailto:Rajendra.Babu@capco.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:18 PM To: G. K. Manjunath; Vyasamoorthy@icicikp.com; Prof. N.Laxman Rao Cc: Madhuresh Subject: RE: GOC Rates for month of July' 2004 Importance: High Dear all, I guess you remember me.=20 I am in professional dilemma after looking at Mr. Mukesh's mail. I was = thinking whom to talk to, so I thought that all the people in the list = are the people who have seen me except Mr. Manjunath, but any way I have = interacted to Manjunath over e-mail. Madhuresh is my Junior in NCSI. I feel, how feasible it is to allow vendors like Mr. Mukesh in the = professional forum for Librarians only. I would also explain where I am = coming from. As we professional librarians would be discussing lot of = day-to-day issues to professional help/advise/guidance and so on = (sometimes it might be about vendors too). I guess this is the major = reason we have established professional forums like LISFORUM and others = run by our own prefessionals/organizations. Such as NCSI, Dr. Laxman Rao = (sir, pl. recall our discussions @mysore University) and others. In this = scenario, I need your advise, would we be allowing vendors to subscribe = to the professional forums like this or not. If YES why and on what = grounds we should be? (since, I have also worked in Universal = Subscripition agency/Global INformation systems technology). Looking forward for your opinions. It's only for my personal = clarification and not to target any one concerned. Thanks, Babu. -----Original Message----- From: ++ Mukesh Anand ++ [mailto:mukesh@monitorinfo.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:54 PM To: ytv@godrej.com; vasu@qmedin.com; IGIDR Shyam Prasad Pujar; G. K. = Manjunath; farooque@in.ibm.com; Bank Of Baroda Mumbai Mr. Dharmendra = Sachan; Babu Rajendra Cc: Vyasamoorthy@icicikp.com; smitac_in@yahoo.com; Samdarshi Pali; = rajeshbcd@rediffmail.com; Prof. N.Laxman Rao; prakash_inp@yahoo.com; = pharmalibrarians@yahoogroups.com; nub@iucaa.ernet.in; Nirma University = H.Anil Kumar; Menon KPR; Madhuresh Subject: GOC Rates for month of July' 2004 GOC Rates for month of July' 2004 USD : Rs. 48.10 UKP : Rs. 88.00 EURO : Rs. 58.30 S Fr. : Rs. 38.60 Mukesh Anand Director - Marketing Monitor Information Services # 203, Moghal Marc Ratan Complex Narayanguda, Hyderabad - 500 029 India T: 040-55787065 / 040-27552390 F: +91-40-27569299 http://www.monitorinfo.com Importers n Distributors of Technical Publications =20 ************************************************************************
Dear All
Forums are meant, as i understand , in its simplest form
to share information among its members. Moderators
are there to monitor n filter unwanted information. Relevant
Information, irrespective of its source, should be allowed
to reach the members. Vendors do contribute to the development
of Libraries. More n more professionals are joining publishing
trade and complementing the efforts of information professionals.
Even if we go by the past postings, yours truly have contributed
by providing information on RFID, NAP and GOC which are
very useful for a budding librarian/library.
Best Wishes
Mukesh Anand
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From: "Mailing List Manager"
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:12:24 +0530 From: Vyasamoorthy@icicikp.com
Request to moderator of Lis-forum: If contents are OK with you, please = permit the entire message with all forwarded messages - just this time ; = this would give the background needed for discussion. Thanks. = Vyasamoorthy, P
Dear All, Please see postings of: Rajendra Babu, Maduresh Singhal, Mukesh Anand = quoted below.
I have no dilemma on this issue. We should allow all who are likely to = benefit librarians' community and promote (I would not say protect) our = interests. After all we do depend upon vendors for supply of books = periodicals & documents. What is wrong if they join and get to know our = problems, perspectives and feelings? Things might change for the better.
There are many occasions in Lis-Forum where requests for sourcing old = books, info on RFID, info on certain software etc came up; I have = forwarded them individually to suitable vendors for action. Enquirers = have benefited. If library suppliers are part of the forum they could = respond directly to individual's requirements -- if answering via forum = may be looked upon as 'commercial' activity.
Moreover, we, in VIC act as providers of information, literature = searches, documents etc to our customers by procuring the same from = other sources including libraries, commercial book sellers, publishers = and online sources. As we act as intermediaries we have interests of = librarians (as we are librarians) and that of vendors as we are vendors = too.
I do not find anything bad, unwelcome, un-holy about commercial = activities. We should shed this inhibition of allowing commercial = fellows into our fold. Government Institutions still have this "Us" and = "they" attitude strongly entrenched in them. This must go. However when = one section of the society tends to unnecessarily exploit the other to = their undue advantage then that has to be checked. This correction will = occur automatically as and when aberrations happen.
Regards, Dr.P.Vyasamoorthy, Advisor, Virtual Information Centre,=20 ICICI Knowledge Park, Genome Valley, Turkapally, Shameerpet Mandal,=20 RR District, Hyderabad 500078 INDIA=20 Email: vyasamoorthy@icicikp.com=20 Phone - Office: +91(40)23480053 Fax: +91(40)23480007 Phone Residence: = +91(40)27846631=20
-----Original Message----- From: Madhuresh [mailto:madhuresh_s@aurigene.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:29 AM To: Babu Rajendra; G. K. Manjunath; VYASAMOORTHY /IKP/HYD; Prof. = N.Laxman Rao Subject: RE: GOC Rates for month of July' 2004
Dear Babu,
I feel that announcing the GOC rates is not a commercial activity. It is = just information which may be useful for us.
Now regarding the question of allowing vendors to become a member of = professional forum, I feel any one can become the member as it would be = difficult for Moderator to find out whether a person is a vendor or not, = however their postings can be moderated. Again, these vendors may be = useful for supplying the information if any professional member needs = it, e.g., if a professional want to implement RFID and s/he expressed = her/his desire in the forum, vendor may directly contact.=20
I have seen so many mails in various forums in which professionals have = promoted their own products specially books. I am not sure whether to = take this as a commercial activity or to announce their professional = growth and to make others aware about such products/books. I personally = feel that this could also be taken as informative announcement. But I am = interested to know the views of others regarding this.
Regards.
Madhuresh Singhal Electronic City, phase II, Hosur Road, Bangalore 560100 Phone 28521314-16 Ext.- 422 Mobile 98861 82822 E-mail: mailto:madhureshsinghal@yahoo.com madhureshsinghal@yahoo.com=20 http://nettalk2.tripod.com/=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Babu Rajendra [mailto:Rajendra.Babu@capco.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:18 PM To: G. K. Manjunath; Vyasamoorthy@icicikp.com; Prof. N.Laxman Rao Cc: Madhuresh Subject: RE: GOC Rates for month of July' 2004 Importance: High
Dear all,
I guess you remember me.=20
I am in professional dilemma after looking at Mr. Mukesh's mail. I was = thinking whom to talk to, so I thought that all the people in the list = are the people who have seen me except Mr. Manjunath, but any way I have = interacted to Manjunath over e-mail. Madhuresh is my Junior in NCSI.
I feel, how feasible it is to allow vendors like Mr. Mukesh in the = professional forum for Librarians only. I would also explain where I am = coming from. As we professional librarians would be discussing lot of = day-to-day issues to professional help/advise/guidance and so on = (sometimes it might be about vendors too). I guess this is the major = reason we have established professional forums like LISFORUM and others = run by our own prefessionals/organizations. Such as NCSI, Dr. Laxman Rao = (sir, pl. recall our discussions @mysore University) and others. In this = scenario, I need your advise, would we be allowing vendors to subscribe = to the professional forums like this or not. If YES why and on what = grounds we should be? (since, I have also worked in Universal = Subscripition agency/Global INformation systems technology).
Looking forward for your opinions. It's only for my personal = clarification and not to target any one concerned.
Thanks, Babu.
-----Original Message----- From: ++ Mukesh Anand ++ [mailto:mukesh@monitorinfo.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:54 PM To: ytv@godrej.com; vasu@qmedin.com; IGIDR Shyam Prasad Pujar; G. K. = Manjunath; farooque@in.ibm.com; Bank Of Baroda Mumbai Mr. Dharmendra = Sachan; Babu Rajendra Cc: Vyasamoorthy@icicikp.com; smitac_in@yahoo.com; Samdarshi Pali; = rajeshbcd@rediffmail.com; Prof. N.Laxman Rao; prakash_inp@yahoo.com; = pharmalibrarians@yahoogroups.com; nub@iucaa.ernet.in; Nirma University = H.Anil Kumar; Menon KPR; Madhuresh Subject: GOC Rates for month of July' 2004
GOC Rates for month of July' 2004 USD : Rs. 48.10 UKP : Rs. 88.00 EURO : Rs. 58.30 S Fr. : Rs. 38.60
Mukesh Anand Director - Marketing
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T: 040-55787065 / 040-27552390 F: +91-40-27569299
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