The argument in Indian express have two points a) Somebody have struggled to prepare NET that is why it should be continued b) M.Phil and Ph.D., are easy and net is difficult a) Creating difficult exam or conducting too many exams can not create good teachers. Actually teaching is art and it is not just knowledge b) If these university teachers can not produce good quality M.Phil or a Ph.D., close them. On top of it you also have policy that Ph.D., is a must for university teacher to become professor. Then Ph.D., is above your NET. If NET is everything why highest degree Ph.D., I endorse that the decision of UGC is fare and good, it has honoured universities, University teacher has to come up to that expectation. with regards Dr.H.S.Siddamallaiah ----- Original Message ----- From: <lis-forum-request@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> To: <lis-forum@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 24
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1. Re: Open Access Journals? (Sukhdev Singh) 2. open source software (mahendra m m) 3. Re: Open source Journals? (Suvarsha Walters) 4. Re: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 22 (Jeetender Chandna) 5. Opinion on Net/slet exemption for PhDs and MPhil holders (yekanath kamble)
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:24:31 +0530 From: "Sukhdev Singh" <esukhdev@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LIS-Forum] Open Access Journals? To: lis-forum@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Message-ID: <c13c85220605220454yb88435gc69f6e55a470d801@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
What I can understand from your email is that you want to say again that someone has to pay for the open access - be it the author, publisher or employer / funding agency of the author.
But same is also true in "Traditional Model" or Closed Access. In the traditional / subscription based model also the Governmental Agency / Funding Agency pays subscription fee to acquire / subscribe the journals into their Library for its employee / scholars to "consume" literature before they can "produce".
Let us remember one thing - in academic domain - both the consumers and producers are the same - the scientific / academic community. They consume literature to produce literature. And this circle is ensured with the help of public money in some way or the other.
Let me introduce two terms for the business models of the Open and the Closed Access.
"Pre-Paid" for Open Access Publishing - The funding agency Pre-Pays for the Consume-Produce Circle by spending on the publication of the research results which it has been funding. This payment has to be made only once for all members of the scientific community.
"Post-Paid" for Traditional Publishing - The funding agency does not pay an extra bit for the research funded by it. The authors after utilising the public money for carrying out research, get the results published in traditional journals. No payment is required for publication but the authors surrenders all rights of their paper. The best papers most often are published in foreign journals. Later on - the funding agency - makes the journal available in its library after paying subscription cost. In case of foreign journal it has to shell out foreign currency to get back the results of even that work which it originally funded. Multiple payments are required to be made if the govt. / funding agency has multiple libraries spread over a geographical area. Even for digital copies / version the licence fee would be in proportionate to the number of end - users.
It can be easily seen that "Pre-Paid" model makes more sence for research funding agencies.
So if it costs to publish science - then why not to adopt "Pre-Paid" model?
--Sukhdev Singh, NIC. http://openmed.nic.in
--------- On 20/05/06, Chandrima Roy <croy@docdelserv.com> wrote: Based on my understanding, discussions and as per the details given by Peter Suber on http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/overview.htm
Can we summarize the points as under? - Features of Open Access:
A) Free for User i) Users are free to quote or refer the text ii) They are free to download iii) Users are free to add the downloaded text to their archive iv) As Online Access Literature is free of most copyright and licensing restrictions, no permissions are required to make the information freely available on users' platform, from any other platform
B) Authors/ Publishers have to bear the cost i) As an Author, if one has information but cannot pay, then? Can he look for subsidy? ii) A Publisher, who is either Commercial or Governmental needs to fund the project. So, the finance will come from where? a) Excess charging of Print Version? (That is possible in case of established journals only) b) Subsidy? (Again available to established journal only) OR c) Advertisements? (Again depends upon the Journal Standard)
Chandrima Roy
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Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:14:20 +0530 From: Sukhdev Singh < http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum esukhdev at gmail.com
Who bears the cost of the author's intellectual inputs?!!
The same should bear the cost of author's publication.
What is reported in scholarly journals? -- Research output. Who does that research? -- Scientists / Scholars.
And Scientists / Scholars get salary for that. They need infrastructure to work in. They work on Research Projects that cost money .
Who bears all the cost?
Publication costs are just a fraction of the total cost of the research output. So it makes sense to spend a bit extra to expose the research results, gain maximum impact of it and build ground for further research.
So funding agencies ( Govt . or Others) need to spend little extra to publish the research / project outcome which they sponser . Public funding agencies have their publication wings - they just need to allow free / open access to their publications. Atleast to their online versions. Indian Council for Medical Research is an example which provides free access to their journal - Indian Journal of Medical Research.
Well there are other models as followed by BioMed Central and PLoS . Advertising revenues could be other.
Don't we have Free-to-Air TV Channels? Hey! Do we pay for listening to FM Radio Channels? - Private or Public.
I would suggest -
--All publications consuming public money to produce should be publicly accessible - at least their online versions.
--All publicly funded research should be mandated to be open-archived by the author with in a time frame.
--All teaching / reseach institutions should set-up their institutional repositories.
-- Sukhdev Singh, NIC. http://openmed.nic.in http://openmed.nic.in
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 02:18:16 -0700 (PDT) From: ranjit dharmapurikar < http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/lis-forum d_ranjit at yahoo.com
Dear Sir, You have asked about the cost of open source journals. who will bear the cost. Of course, the publisher, agency , person who is putting the journal on the net is required to bear the cost. Keeping the facility of open source journals is a way of an advertisement. Generally what I have observed that these open source journals are very old. Whenevr they found that there is not demand for such articles then they declear it as an open source journal. At least with this open source journals users will learn and will come to know that such titled journals are available. So it is a way of an advertisement. What I think. Like out dated goods are sold by maximum discount for attracting the customers towards new and fresh product. The same story can be applicable with open source journals R.G. Dharmapurikar
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Message: 2 Date: 22 May 2006 18:59:00 -0000 From: "mahendra m m" <mahendrammm3@rediffmail.com> Subject: [LIS-Forum] open source software To: lis-forum@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Message-ID: <20060522185900.25816.qmail@webmail49.rediffmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
topic;OPEN SOURCE INITIATIVES IN INDIAN LIBRARIES HELLO LIS PROFESSIONALS, I AM WORKING ON PROJECT OPEN SOURCE INITIATIVES IN INDIAN LIBRARIES.INTERESTED PROFESSIONALS ARE REQUESTED THAT THEY SHOULD SEND THE INFORMATION ABOUT USE OF OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE IN THEIR LIBRARIES. WITH BEST WISHES MAHENDRA METE LIBRARIAN SHRI SHIVAJI COLLEGE AMRAVATI mahendrammm3@rediffmail.com
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:00:34 +0530 (IST) From: Suvarsha Walters <suvarsha@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> Subject: Re: [LIS-Forum] Open source Journals? To: Chandrima Roy <croy@docdelserv.com> Cc: lis-forum@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0605231059510.8071@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Hi,
There is a subtle difference between Open Source and Open Access. Open Source software where source is given, can also be commercial. It can be bought and sold too.
Open Access is applied to content that is free. You cannot charge for the content itself. Though of course you can make money by other means like ads, charging authors etc.
with regards,
Suvarsha *********************************************************************** Suvarsha Walters, Project Assistant, National Centre for Science Information Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore - 560 012 INDIA Ph (Off): 080-23600271 / 22932511 Ph (Mobile): 98458 33694 E-mail: suvarsha_w@yahoo.com suvarsha@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in
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On Mon, 22 May 2006, Chandrima Roy wrote:
What is the difference between Open Access and Open Source?
Open source software, like free software, is a kind of software the source code of which is freely available for inspection or modification.
Open access is a kind of access or availability. This kind of access could apply to any digital content, such as software, music, movies, or news.
Chandrima Roy
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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:55:47 +0530 From: "Jeetender Chandna" <granthpal@gmail.com> Subject: [LIS-Forum] Re: LIS-Forum Digest, Vol 38, Issue 22 To: lis-forum@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Message-ID: <c6921800605230025r70841ee4yb2f788c28082a7d5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed
What is the difference between Open Access and Open Source?
Open source software, like free software, is a kind of software the source code of which is freely available for inspection or modification.
Open access is a kind of access or availability. This kind of access could apply to any digital content, such as software, music, movies, or news.
Chandrima Roy
Google has given us a very powerful search tool for making such comparisons.
----------------------------------- define: XYZZZZZZZZZ -----------------------------------
The (define:) tool picks up definitions from many sources and brings forth many definitions from various glossaries. ************************************************************************************ For <define: "Open Access"> I am show casing a few relevant results:
************************************************************************************ Open access (also known as open-access publishing and free online scholarship) is an ongoing publication practice which differs in the way traditional methods of publishing papers to the public get submitted, reviewed, authenticated and finally published. The word "open" here means a change in how publication is negotiated between author and publisher and 'access' has an inflex on how the audience can obtain the publication. ... <src: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access>
Open Access: A publication model where in neither readers nor a reader's institution are charged for access to articles or other resources. Users are free to read, download, copy, distribute, print, search, or link to the full texts of these articles. The only constraint on reproduction and distribution, and the only role for copyright . ... <src: www.loc.gov/acq/conser/glossary.html>
Also, this last definition is also applicable and ergo suggests to us that this is not purely a digital domain term:
Open Access: Book stacks to which users have free access to browse and retrieve items on their own, as opposed to closed stacks library.wur.nl/desktop/help/faq_glossary.html
Adding my thoughts, today Open Access is a MOVEMENT which is targetted towards freedom of content from parasitic publishers. It is also concerned with newer forms of publishing rights, these rights now include terms like -- copyright, copyleft, creative commons licensing models, et al.
Open Access in www terms is indicative of faster, cheaper, and maybe free access to current content -- both in peer reviewed and otherewise domains.
************************************************************************************ Vis-a-vis Open Source ---- Google Search::<define: "open source"> ************************************************************************************ Open Source is also another movement, but on that has largely been relegated to the IT software domain. In this, people generate software for the common good. The software is released into the market and is generally improved upon by other programmers, resulting in faster, better, and usually free products. The credit-line is always maintained - of the producers. These warez cannot be sold commercially.
One well known OS site is SourceForge.net
Shareware / Freeware eg: tucows.com, are other ways of sharing programs. Whereas Shareware is commercial, Freeware is free of cost. But in these cases, the source code of the programming involved is not disclosed.
Regarding "Open Source" definitions:
This is what Microsft has to say "A movement in the programming community for making source code (program instructions) free and freely available to anyone interested in using or working with it. <www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/visio/visio2002/plan/glossary.mspx>"
Another definition for OS Term coined in March 1998 to describe software distributed in source under licenses guaranteeing anybody rights to freely use, modify, and redistribute the code. The intent was to be able to sell the hackers' ways of doing software to industry and the mainstream by avoiding the negative connotations (to [business people]) of the term "free software". For discussion of the follow-on tactics and their consequences, see the Open Source Initiative site. <www.slais.ubc.ca/courses/libr500/02-03-wt1/www/J_Caldwell/Terminology.htm>
Lets us what the future holds in store for us.
Vis-a-vis capitalism, communism has usually taken a back seat.
"Open Source," essentially a community movement, has been slow in its growth. Linux has found a strong foothold in the www arena, but that has been largely due to Microsoft's blinders which they were quite late in removal.
However the share of MS web servers is on the rise and just like what they did to Netscape in the Browser wars, the same may happen with web servers also.
Similar is the case in the database scenario also mySQl vs Oracle/SQL.
Whatever be the results, there is no end to this basic war between the rich and the do-gooders. It is a perennial war with no end.
I am game. Its fun. The fun is playing the game, not winning or losing. It all relates to the side you choose.
Open Access.. here I come :)
-- Regards Granthpal ---------------------------------------- Jeetender Chandna aka Vicky aka Granthpal Esha News Monitoring Services Pvt Ltd 10th Floor, Krushal Commercial Complex Chembur (W) Mumbai 400089 Tel: (91-22) 3245 2861 Email: granthpal@gmail.com
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