[LIS-Forum] NET

Wed May 24 18:52:16 IST 2006

Dear Friends,

I strongly support Dr.H.S.Siddamalliah's thoughts & feel that there is logic in his thoughts.

1. First of all why do we need NET is basic thing here most our friends are unmindful of their writing and just telling that they want NET, let them express logically how NET is going to improve the present educational scenario namely in Library & Information Science Profession.

I have two leaving examples in front of me those who have cleared their NET but still they cannot open their mouth and explain simple topics of LIS (Library & Information Science) clearly, I saw them attending several interviews but still not got through. By thinking that it might be communication problem I looked closely into their LIS knowledge it is shocking but they have cleared their NET. But I don't think one exam improves the caliber of education/identifies one's ability. 

2. I believe NET & SLET is meant for teaching professionals and Research professionals in all faculties at Higher learning centers but I strongly believe that Librarian is not going to teach anything there. If yes why he is bothered with this unwanted exam. In this context I feel NET is totally irrelevant to Librarians.

Of course we can have NET for those who want to make their career as teaching professionals/Research professionals in LIS. 

3. I saw some of my friends writing as NET/SLET changes the way other look at Librarians. Through this forum I ask my friend "whether your role is going to change after clearing NET? Do you stop classifying, cataloguing & organizing information and or else start doing something else because you have cleared NET.

What I would like to say is by wearing a new shirt your internal attitude doesn't change but only look changes. Whether you have NET or not  but the basic work what you do and will be doing is the same.

4. Some of our fellow professionals wrote very arrogantly by recommending NET, that NET improves the LIS professions standard, I would like to reply them through this forum that it is NOT THE NET BUT sincere work of our senior fellow professionals in LIS has improved the way people look at us to name a few ( Karnataka)

a. Dr. Karisidappa  Professor, b. Dr. Dr.H.S.Siddamalliah, c. Mr. Chikmalliah , d. Mrs. Theresa Williams Manager information services , Wipro e. Dr Shalini Urs etc f. Dr. Maheswarappa 

Several others are there world over who are really contributing to the Profession by taking new projects, by providing innovative information services by publishing literature in LIS, by creating more opportunities for fellow professionals by taking new projects & providing apprenticeship trainings and even some of them have really worked hard to change the present syllabus of LIS which is par with syllabus of foreign universities etc. But none these have NET aren't they still contributing to the profession with their small efforts.

5. Last but not least what I want to convey is you improve your skills, learn something new every time as learning is a continuous process it will not stop by clearing NET. Let us say one who clears NET is really an asset to the profession but what is the guarantee that he keeps alive the fire within him and serve his profession sincerely. When you closely look why people want to clear their NET is not to contribute to the profession but to get/secure a job.

6. If it was our higher educational system is wrong then several people those who working in foreign universities would not have been there. Still several foreign universities are happy to recruit people who have completed their Ph.D in India.

Yes here & there some bias and favoritism is there in Indian universities also as we all are human being .I strongly believe that few instances of bias & favoritism cannot overshadow the efforts & services of several Professors serving in the Indian Universities.

6. Request all of you to stop wasting your time by writing on this issue but to use this forum for right purpose.

Thanks & Regards
Knowledge Center & Information Services,
RBIN, Bangalore.
>Emmanuel Ebnazar.
>
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   1. Casting away the NET (Satish Munnolli)
   2. NET or PhD (nazim malik)
   3. NET/SET stop discussion do action (Monali Panchbhai)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:26:54 +0530
From: "Satish Munnolli" <smunnolli at actrec.res.in>
Subject: [LIS-Forum] Casting away the NET
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In continuation to the debate on NET/SET/MPhil/Ph.D.

If, Librarians (not in teaching profession) are categorised under NON
TEACHING faculty by many colleges, why they should clear NET / SET exam that
is basically designed for teaching faculty ?  Librarians attached to
academic institute libraries are not teaching in their practice.  Is it only
to ensure UGC scale ?  If it is so, how many fellow colleagues who cleared
NET exam are really getting UGC scale in private colleges ?

And also I believe for teaching professionals in library science (in
Universities) they should have one more Master's degree apart from MLISc and
NET clearance.
Is it the same case with other disciplines also ?

Why there is a double standard for Library Science professionals ?

Satish S Munnolli
Librarian
Advanced Centre for Treatment, Research & Education in Cancer (ACTREC)
Tata Memorial Centre
Sector 22, Kharghar,
Navi Mumbai 410 208
India

Ph : +91 22 2740 5026
Fax :  +91 22 2740 5085
Email : smunnolli at actrec.res.in

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From: "Dr.H.S.Siddmallaiah" <sidda at nimhans.kar.nic.in>
To: "nmlis" <nmlis at yahoogroups.com>; "lis" <lis-forum at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>;
"corporatelibrns Moderator" <corporatelibrns at yahoogroups.com>; "raja ram"
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:01 PM
Subject: [LIS-Forum] Re: [nmlis] Casting away the NET

> Dear Friends
> the arguments of the academician friends does not have any logic
> and they are not confident of their product at research degrees like
M.Phil
> or Ph.D.,
>
>   NET is a benefit of chance in answering one exam
> If Universities are not sure of the generating good quality M.Phil and
> quality Ph.D.,
>   then let them work out achieving good quality at that level not to leave
> it to  the benefit of chance in
> one exam .
> the argument to hang on to NET is a stupidity
> and doubt on  their own M.phil and Ph.D.,
> there argument is like they are through and they don't want others to be
> through
>
> May be I am little harsh, conducting too many exam is not a solution and
can
> not create a research culture
> or academic bent, making the students to work better in research degrees
can
> create better culture
> With regards
> Dr.H.S.Siddamalliah
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "raja ram" <raj_lib001 at yahoo.co.in>
> To: "nmlis" <nmlis at yahoogroups.com>; "lis" <lis-forum at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>;
> "corporatelibrns Moderator" <corporatelibrns at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:40 PM
> Subject: [nmlis] Casting away the NET
>
>
>
> Casting away the NET
>
> The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their
>
> reservations about this development. It is now official. The University
> Grants Commission (UGC) has declared
>
> that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts for identifying
>
> potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an
>
> eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral degree.
>
> On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report of
>
> the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry of
>
> Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to revamp
>
> the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an
>
> eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, has
been
> accepted in principle.
>
> Report recommendation
>
> The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be
>
> exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate
courses
> and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching postgraduate
> courses.
>
> This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in Kerala.
>
> Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw this
>
> announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these
>
> academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is pretty
> much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a
>
> national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality teachers are to
> be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges.
>
>  Dissenting voices
>
> "This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of
>
> Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of mediocrity
> as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in this university
> anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate examination can sign up
> for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree.
> There is no such thing as turning down a thesis. There is no evaluation by
a
> foreign expert."
>
> "Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for
>
> M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the All
> Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC has always
> been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions from the NET.
>
>
>
> "In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who can
>
> be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda in
>
> this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for some
>
> subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption needs
>
> to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders and
>
> Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for quality
>
> teaching," he says.
>
> Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move of
>
> the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not
>
> thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the country
> who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are seeking to get a
Ph.D.
>
> Flawed decision
>
> There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have
>
> better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and broad-base
>
> the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K.
>
> Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of
linking
> M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed.
>
>
>
> "A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher
>
> need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure you
> should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. The
method
> adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good in this respect.
> Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is going to be a spurt in
the
> number of M.Phils. being offered by colleges. In no time there will also
be
> M.Phil. in the distance education mode. Then all those people are going to
> try and become teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future
> the NET - in another form - becomes
>
> compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks.
>
> Broad-basing NET
>
> Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says the
>
> need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to do
>
> away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of having a
>
> nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be broad-based
>
> so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The
>
> Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time the
> Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had
>
> argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows for
>
> trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the NET for
> English can also teach such subjects as communicative English,
>
> linguistics or journalism.
>
> Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if the
>
> Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be done
>
> away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide debate
>
> among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr.
>
> Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of thousands
of
> students."
>
> G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala.
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:10:12 +0100 (BST)
From: nazim malik <monis_naz at yahoo.co.in>
Subject: [LIS-Forum] NET or PhD
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Dear Friends
   Much has already been discussed regarding the exemption of NET. Some people are in favor and some are against the UGC decision.

  This is very difficult to say that UGC decision is right or wrong because those who having PhD or going to complete their PhD in near future obviously welcome the UGC decision. But those who after a hard work cleared the NET/JRF certainly reject the exemption of NET idea of UGC. 

  This is my observation that in each discipline or subject number of NETs is more than number of available posts. It means supply is higher than demand. Then what is the need of exemption of NET? If UGC is really interested to improve quality in teaching and research then NET must be compulsory for those who want to do PhD and the essential qualification for lectureship must be NET+PhD.
  A PhD Holder may be expert in a very small field on which he has done his work but for clearing NET he must be master of his subject and that is necessary for a good teacher.

  One thing I would like to  share that UGC decision is good as far as the post of Asstt. Librarian is concerned because this is purely administrative post which requires practical experiences rather than theoretical knowledge. 50% post of Asstt. Librarians should be filled up through the internal promotion and rest 50% through the NET or PhD.

  This is my personal views based on my experiences. But I have also experienced that candidates having sound knowledge of their subjects but could not cleared the NET. But these are exceptional cases. 

  With Regards
  Nazim malik
  BHU, Varanasi

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Much has already been discussed regarding the exemption of NET. Some people are in favor and some are against the UGC decision.

This is very difficult to say that UGC decision is right or wrong because those who having PhD or going to complete their PhD in near future obviously welcome the UGC decision. But those who after a hard work cleared the NET/JRF certainly reject the exemption of NET idea of UGC.

This is my observation that in each discipline or subject number of NETs is more than number of available posts. It means supply is higher than demand. Then what is the need of exemption of NET? If UGC is really interested to improve quality in teaching and research then NET must be compulsory for those who want to do PhD and the essential qualification for lectureship must be NET+PhD.
A PhD Holder may be expert in a very small field on which he has done his work but for clearing NET he must be master of his subject and that is necessary for a good teacher.

One thing I would like to

share that UGC decision is good as far as the post of Asstt. Librarian is concerned because this is purely administrative post which requires practical experiences rather than theoretical knowledge. 50% post of Asstt. Librarians should be filled up through the internal promotion and rest 50% through the NET or PhD.

This is my personal views based on my experiences. But I have also experienced that candidates having sound knowledge of their subjects but could not cleared the NET. But these are exceptional cases.

With Regards
Nazim malik
BHU,
Varanasi

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:16:51 +0000
From: "Monali Panchbhai" <monalipanchbhai at hotmail.com>
Subject: [LIS-Forum] NET/SET stop discussion do action
To: sidda at nimhans.kar.nic.in, nmlis at yahoogroups.com,
	lis-forum at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in, corporatelibrns at yahoogroups.com
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Hi,

I do not know who told my respected friends that those who have cleared NET / SET have opted standards and quality? It's been observed that, just because of NET and / or SET clearance few undeserved candidates gets job. There are professionals who hold certificates in NET / SET but can not build a good image of profession in society, do not have enthusiasm in teaching and / or servicing the need of users. Even students can clearly mark their negative qualities. Tell me how many college going students actually say some good things about their librarian? Everyone makes faces when the topic of library or librarian comes into discussion. One can easily observe this in surrounding specially while traveling with young generation.

In such cases what's the use of their certificates of NET/SET exams?

If private sector ensures the best candidate for their profitability and if professionals with NET/SET are supposed to be the best then why our MNCs and private sectors are yet away from having that as one of the major selection criteria for candidate? Infact the payments in these sectors are like anything and thus they can demand for the best as well. But I think they go for skills and not for certificates which can be obtained through a completely opaque system like these eligibility examinations. Tell me how many students who can not clear these exams even after several attempts, actually know the paper which becomes cause of failure? There is no transparency in examination results and thus it does not help students for preparations of next attempt.

One of our friends has stated that "A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher need not be a good teacher" thus M. Phil and Ph.D. as well have to go through these examinations. But can anyone tell me which section of NET / SET exam actually checks teaching skills of candidates?

People from private sectors do their best to update themselves and cater the need of their organizations. But people from public sector has secure job and thus do not take much efforts to give someting best, which spoils the image of profession and professionals both.

Thus I personally think that the exemption of these examinations is a good start and at same time instead of debating NET/SET/Ph.D./M.Phil etc. we should think of improving quality of our profession. Cause our educational system is such that neither clearing any of eligibility tests nor having any degree assures the quality. And our professionals who works as guide for Ph. D. and M. Phil students should take care that they allocate degree to a proper candidate. They can also try to either ban those universities who give fake degree to students or force them to wind up their activity so that we get quality.

There should be a committee where anyone can complain against those professionals who are spoiling the image of profession. And the rights should be given to that committee so that they can take serious actions against the candidate (Like in Medical profession they have rights to take away the degree of doctor). This will automatically help to maintain the quality. And people will do their best to serve the profession.

Regards,

Monali
Sr. Exe. - Library & Documentation
Mumbai.
From:  
"Dr.H.S.Siddmallaiah" <sidda at nimhans.kar.nic.in>
To:  
"nmlis" <nmlis at yahoogroups.com>, "lis" <lis-forum at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>, "corporatelibrns Moderator" <corporatelibrns at yahoogroups.com>, "raja ram" <raj_lib001 at yahoo.co.in>
Subject:  
[LIS-Forum] Dont hang on to NET
Date:  
Wed, 24 May 2006 22:48:19 +0530
>Dear Friends
>
>UGC have honoured university colleagues
>
>If university people are not confident
>on their own product
>why don't they close M.Phil or Ph.D.,
>
>on Contrary Ph.D., is mandatory for teacher in their
>promotion, irrespective of whether they are through with
>NET or not.
>If NET is everything why Ph.D., why don.t you call it like an IAS in
>academic.
>
>Research or academic activities are mindset, culture and need to be
>acquired through practice and actual research not just one exam
>
>Please be proactive to creativity and grow up to expectation by
>creating better products in university. Do not underestimate your
>own product.
>Good or bad is a comparative value,
>there is no benchmark for it
>
>With regards
>Dr.H.S.Siddamallaiah
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "raja ram"
><raj_lib001 at yahoo.co.in>
>To: "nmlis" <nmlis at yahoogroups.com>; "lis"
><lis-forum at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>; "corporatelibrns Moderator"
><corporatelibrns at yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:40 PM
>Subject: [nmlis] Casting away the NET
>
>
>
>Casting away the NET
>
>The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their
>
>reservations about this development. It is now official. The
>University Grants Commission (UGC) has declared
>
>that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts for identifying
>
>potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an
>
>eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral
>degree.
>
>On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report
>of
>
>the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry
>of
>
>Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to
>revamp
>
>the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an
>
>eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning,
>has been accepted in principle.
>
>Report recommendation
>
>The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be
>
>exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate
>courses and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching
>postgraduate courses.
>
>This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in
>Kerala.
>
>Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw
>this
>
>announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these
>
>academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is
>pretty much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a
>
>national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality teachers
>are to be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges.
>
>Dissenting voices
>
>"This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of
>
>Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of
>mediocrity as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in
>this university anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate
>examination can sign up for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for
>Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. There is no such thing as turning down
>a thesis. There is no evaluation by a foreign expert."
>
>"Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for
>
>M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the
>All Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC
>has always been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions
>from the NET.
>
>
>
>"In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who
>can
>
>be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda
>in
>
>this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for
>some
>
>subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption
>needs
>
>to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders
>and
>
>Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for
>quality
>
>teaching," he says.
>
>Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move
>of
>
>the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not
>
>thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the
>country who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are
>seeking to get a Ph.D.
>
>Flawed decision
>
>There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have
>
>better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and
>broad-base
>
>the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K.
>
>Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of
>linking M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed.
>
>
>
>"A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher
>
>need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure
>you should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person.
>The method adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good
>in this respect. Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is
>going to be a spurt in the number of M.Phils. being offered by
>colleges. In no time there will also be M.Phil. in the distance
>education mode. Then all those people are going to try and become
>teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future the NET
>- in another form - becomes
>
>compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks.
>
>Broad-basing NET
>
>Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says
>the
>
>need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to
>do
>
>away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of
>having a
>
>nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be
>broad-based
>
>so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The
>
>Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time
>the Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had
>
>argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows
>for
>
>trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the
>NET for English can also teach such subjects as communicative
>English,
>
>linguistics or journalism.
>
>Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if
>the
>
>Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be
>done
>
>away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide
>debate
>
>among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr.
>
>Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of
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NET
Dear Friends
,

I strongly support
Dr.H.S.Siddamalliah
's
thoughts &
feel that there is
logic
in his thoughts.
1. First of all why do we need
NET
is basic thing here most
our
f
riends are unmindful of
their
writing and just telling that they want NET,
let them express logically how NET is going to improve the present educational scenario
namely in Library & Information Science Profession.
I have two leaving examples
in front
of me
those who
have
cleared th
eir
NET but still they cannot open
their
mouth and explain
simple
topic
s
of LIS
(Library & Information Science
)
clearly
, I saw the
m
attending several interviews but still not got through.
By thinking
that it might be communication problem
I
looked
closely
into their LIS knowledge it is shocking but they have cleared their
NET.
But
I
don't
think one
exam improve
s
the
caliber
of education
/identifies one
's
ability
.
2.
I
believe
NET
& SLET is meant for
teaching
professionals
and Research professionals
in all faculties
at Higher learning centers
but
I
strongly b
elieve that Librarian is not going to teach anything there
.
I
f yes why he is bothered with this unwanted
exam.
I
n this context
I
feel NET is totally
irrelevant
to Librarians
.
Of course
we can have NET for
those who want to make their career as teaching professionals
/Research professionals
in LIS
.
3.
I
saw
some of my friends writing as NET/SLET
changes
the
way other look at Librarian
s.
T
hrough this forum
I
ask my friend
"
whe
ther you
r
role is going to change after clearing NET?
Do you stop classifying,
cataloguing
&
organizing information and
or else start
do
ing
something else
because
you have cleared NET
.
W
hat
I
would like to
say
is
by wearing a new shirt your internal attitude doesn't change
but only look
changes.
Whether
you have NET or not

but the
basic work what you do
and wi
ll be doing
i
s the same.
4. Some of
our
fellow professionals wrote very
arrogantly
by recommending NET
, that NET improves the
LIS professions
standard
,
I
would like to reply them through this forum that it is NOT THE NET BUT sincere work of our senior fellow professionals in
LIS
has improved the way people look at us
to name a few
( Karnataka)
a
.
Dr.
K
arisidappa

Professor
,
b
.
Dr.
Dr.H.S.Siddamalliah
,
c
. Mr. Chikmalliah
,
d
. Mrs. Theresa Williams Manager information services , Wipro
e.
D
r Shalini Urs
etc
f.
D
r.
Mah
e
swarappa
Several others are
there world
over
who are
really contributing to
the
Profession
by taking new projects, by providing
innovative information
services
by publishing literature in LIS
, by creating more opportunities for fellow professionals
by taking new projects & providing apprenticeship
trainings and
eve
n some of them have really worked hard to change the present
syllabus
of LIS which is par with
syllabus
of foreign universities
etc
.
But none these have NET aren't they still contributing
to the profession with their small efforts.
5. Last but not least what
I
want to convey is
you improve your skills
, learn something new every time as
learning is a continuous pro
cess
it will not stop by clearing NET.
Let
us say one who clears
NET is really an asset to the profession but what is the
guarantee
that he keeps alive the fire within him and serve his
profession
sincerely.
When
you
closely
look why people want to clear their NET is not to contribute to
the
profession but to
get/
secure
a
job
.
6. If
it was
our
higher
educational
system is
wrong then
several people those who working in foreign
universities
would not have been there.
Still several foreign
universities
are happy to recruit people who have completed their Ph.D in India.
Yes here & there some
bias
and favori
ti
sm
is there
in
Indian
universities
also as we all are human being .
I
str
ongly believe that
f
ew
instances
of bias & favoritism
cannot overshadow the efforts & services of several Professors serving in the
Indian
Universities.
6.
Request all of you to stop wasting your time by writing on this issue but
to
u
se this forum for right purpose
.

[A]
Thanks &
Regards
Knowledge Center & Information Services,
RBIN, Bangalore.
>Emmanuel Ebnazar.
>
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   2. NET or PhD (nazim malik)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:26:54 +0530
From: "Satish Munnolli" <smunnolli at actrec.res.in>
Subject: [LIS-Forum] Cas
ting away the NET
To: <lis-forum at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>, <nmlis at yahoogroups.com>
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In continuation to the debate on NET/SET/MPhil/Ph.D.
If, Librarians
(not in teaching profession) are categorised under NON
TEACHING faculty by many colleges, why they should clear NET / SET exam that
is basically designed for teaching faculty ?  Librarians attached to
academic institute libraries are not teaching in their practice.  Is it only
to ensure UGC scale ?  If it is so, how many fellow colleagues who cleared
NET exam are really getting UGC scale in private colleges ?
And also I believe for teaching professiona
ls in library science (in
Universities) they should have one more Master's degree apart from MLISc and
NET clearance.
Is it the same case with other disciplines also ?
Why there is a double standard for Library Science professionals ?
Satish S Munnolli
L
ibrarian
Advanced Centre for Treatment, Research & Education in Cancer (ACTREC)
Tata Memorial Centre
Sector 22, Kharghar,
Navi Mumbai 410 208
India
Ph : +91 22 2740 5026
Fax :  +91 22 2740 5085
Email : smunnolli at actrec.res.in
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From: "Dr.H.S.Siddmallaiah" <sidda at nimhans.kar.nic.in>
To: "nmlis" <nmlis at yahoogroups.com>; "lis" <lis-forum at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>;
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:01 PM
Subject: [LIS-Forum] Re: [nmlis] Casting away the NET
> Dear Friends
> the arguments of the academician friends does not have any logic
> and they are not confident of their product at research degrees like
M.Phil
>
or Ph.D.,
>
>   NET is a benefit of chance in answering one exam
> If Universities are not sure of the generating good quality M.Phil and
> quality Ph.D.,
>   then let them work out achieving good quality at that level not to leave
> it to  the benefit of
chance in
> one exam .
> the argument to hang on to NET is a stupidity
> and doubt on  their own M.phil and Ph.D.,
> there argument is like they are through and they don't want others to be
> through
>
> May be I am little harsh, conducting too many exam
is not a solution and
can
> not create a research culture
> or academic bent, making the students to work better in research degrees
can
> create better culture
> With regards
> Dr.H.S.Siddamalliah
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:40 PM
> Subject: [nmlis] Casting away t
he NET
>
>
>
> Casting away the NET
>
> The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their
>
> reservations about this development. It is now official. The University
> Grants Commission (UGC) has declared
>
> that the National Eligibility Test (
NET) it conducts for identifying
>
> potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an
>
> eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral degree.
>
> On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report
of
>
> the Balchandra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry of
>
> Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to revamp
>
> the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an
>
> eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of higher learning, has
been
> accepted in principle.
>
> Report recommendation
>
> The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be
>
> exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in u
ndergraduate
courses
> and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching postgraduate
> courses.
>
> This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in Kerala.
>
> Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw this
>
> announcement as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these
>
> academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is pretty
> much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a
>
> national-level test of some sort in una
voidable if quality teachers are to
> be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges.
>
>  Dissenting voices
>
> "This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of
>
> Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of mediocrity
> as far as selecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in this university
> anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate examination can sign up
> for M.Phil. and everyone w
ho registers for Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree.
> There is no such thing as turning down a thesis. There is no evaluation by
a
> foreign expert."
>
> "Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for
>
> M.Phil. courses," points out R. Moh
ankumar, general secretary of the All
> Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He says the UGC has always
> been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions from the NET.
>
>
>
> "In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regardin
g who can
>
> be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda in
>
> this? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for some
>
> subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption needs
>
> to be given, fine
. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders and
>
> Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be accepted. That is bad news for quality
>
> teaching," he says.
>
> Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move of
>
> the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not
>
> thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the country
> who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are seeking to get a
Ph.D.
>
> Flawed decision
>
> There a
re also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have
>
> better employed its time and energy by trying to reform and broad-base
>
> the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K.
>
> Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe t
hat the very concept of
linking
> M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teacher is flawed.
>
>
>
> "A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher
>
> need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure you
> should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person. The
method
> adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good in this respect.
> Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is going to be a spurt in
the
> number of M.Phils. be
ing offered by colleges. In no time there will also
be
> M.Phil. in the distance education mode. Then all those people are going to
> try and become teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future
> the NET - in another form - becomes
>
> compu
lsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks.
>
> Broad-basing NET
>
> Former Vice-Chairman of the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says the
>
> need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to do
>
> away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in
favour of having a
>
> nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET can be broad-based
>
> so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The
>
> Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time the
> Mungekar Committee
was set up, Dr. Pillai had
>
> argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows for
>
> trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the NET for
> English can also teach such subjects as communicative English,
>
> linguistics or journalism.
>
> Many in the academic community say they would not be surprised if the
>
> Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be done
>
> away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide debate
>
>
among academics and by a five-member committee," points out Mr.
>
> Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of thousands
of
> students."
>
> G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala.
>
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:10:12 +0100 (BST)
From: nazim malik <monis_naz at yahoo.co.in>
Subject: [LIS-Forum] NET or PhD
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Dear Friends
   Much has already been discussed regarding the exemption of NET. Some people are in favor and some are against the UGC decision.

  This is very difficult to say that UGC decision is ri
ght or wrong because those who having PhD or going to complete their PhD in near future obviously welcome the UGC decision. But those who after a hard work cleared the NET/JRF certainly reject the exemption of NET idea of UGC.

  This is my observation
that in each discipline or subject number of NETs is more than number of available posts. It means supply is higher than demand. Then what is the need of exemption of NET? If UGC is really interested to improve quality in teaching and research then NET m
u
st be compulsory for those who want to do PhD and the essential qualification for lectureship must be NET+PhD.
  A PhD Holder may be expert in a very small field on which he has done his work but for clearing NET he must be master of his subject and that i
s necessary for a good teacher.

  One thing I would like to  share that UGC decision is good as far as the post of Asstt. Librarian is concerned because this is purely administrative post which requires practical experiences rather than theoretical kno
wledge. 50% post of Asstt. Librarians should be filled up through the internal promotion and rest 50% through the NET or PhD.

  This is my personal views based on my experiences. But I have also experienced that candidates having sound knowledge of their subjects but could not cleared the NET. But these are exceptional cases.

  With Regards
  Nazim malik
  BHU, Varanasi

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Much has alre
ady been discussed regarding the exemption of NET. Some people are in favor and some are against the UGC decision.

This is very difficult to say that UGC decision is right or wrong because those who having PhD or going to complete their PhD in near futur
e obviously welcome the UGC decision. But those who after a hard work cleared the NET/JRF certainly reject the exemption of NET idea of UGC.

This is my observation that in each discipline or subject number of NETs is more than number of available posts.
It means supply is higher than demand. Then what is the need of exemption of NET? If UGC is really interested to improve quality in teaching and research then NET must be compulsory for those who want to do PhD and the essential qualification for lectures
h
ip must be NET+PhD.
A PhD Holder may be expert in a very small field on which he has done his work but for clearing NET he must be master of his subject and that is necessary for a good teacher.

One thing I would like to

share that UGC decision is good
as far as the post of Asstt. Librarian is concerned because this is purely administrative post which requires practical experiences rather than theoretical knowledge. 50% post of Asstt. Librarians should be filled up through the internal promotion and re
s
t 50% through the NET or PhD.

This is my personal views based on my experiences. But I have also experienced that candidates having sound knowledge of their subjects but could not cleared the NET. But these are exceptional cases.

With Regards
Nazim malik
BHU,
Varanasi

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Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:16:51 +0000
From: "Monali Panchbhai" <monalipanchbhai at hotmail.com>
Subject: [LIS-Forum] NET/SET stop discussion do
action
To: sidda at nimhans.kar.nic.in, nmlis at yahoogroups.com,

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Hi,

I do not know who told my
respected friends that those who have cleared NET / SET have opted standards and quality? It
’
s been observed that, just because of NET and / or SET clearance few undeserved candidates gets job. There are professionals who hold certificates in NET / SET bu
t
can not build a good image of profession in society, do not have enthusiasm in teaching and / or servicing the need of users. Even students can clearly mark their negative qualities. Tell me how many college going students actually say some good things a
b
out their librarian? Everyone makes faces when the topic of library or librarian comes into discussion. One can easily observe this in surrounding specially while traveling with young generation.

In such cases what
’
s the use of their certificates of NET/
SET exams?

If private sector ensures the best candidate for their profitability and if professionals with NET/SET are supposed to be the best then why our MNCs and private sectors are yet away from having that as one of the major selection criteria for c
andidate? Infact the payments in these sectors are like anything and thus they can demand for the best as well. But I think they go for skills and not for certificates which can be obtained through a completely opaque system like these eligibility examina
t
ions. Tell me how many students who can not clear these exams even after several attempts, actually know the paper which becomes cause of failure? There is no transparency in examination results and thus it does not help students for preparations of next
a
ttempt.

One of our friends has stated that “A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher need not be a good teacher” thus M. Phil and Ph.D. as well have to go through these examinations. But can anyone tell me which section of NET / SET exam
actually checks teaching skills of candidates?

People from private sectors do their best to update themselves and cater the need of their organizations. But people from public sector has secure job and thus do not take much efforts to give someting best,
which spoils the image of profession and professionals both.

Thus I  personally think that the exemption of these examinations is a good start and at same time instead of debating NET/SET/Ph.D./M.Phil etc. we should think of improving quality of our prof
ession. Cause our educational system is such that neither clearing any of eligibility tests nor having any degree assures the quality. And our professionals who works as guide for Ph. D. and M. Phil students should take care that they allocate degree to a
proper candidate. They can also try to either ban those universities who give fake degree to students or force them to wind up their activity so that we get quality.

There should be a committee where anyone can complain against those professionals who ar
e spoiling the image of profession. And the rights should be given to that committee so that they can take serious actions against the candidate (Like in Medical profession they have rights to take away the degree of doctor). This will automatically help
t
o maintain the quality. And people will do their best to serve the profession.

Regards,

Monali
Sr. Exe. - Library & Documentation
Mumbai.
From:  
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Subject:  
[LIS-Forum] Dont hang on to NET
Date:  
Wed, 24 May 2006 22:48:19 +0530
>Dear Friends
>
>UGC have honoured university colleagu
es
>
>If university people are not confident
>on their own product
>why don't they close M.Phil or Ph.D.,
>
>on Contrary Ph.D., is mandatory for teacher in their
>promotion, irrespective of whether they are through with
>NET or not.
>If NET is everything why Ph.D., why don.t you call it like an IAS in
>academic.
>
>Research or academic activities are mindset, culture and need to be
>acquired through practice and actual research not just one exam
>
>Please be proactive to creativity an
d grow up to expectation by
>creating better products in university. Do not underestimate your
>own product.
>Good or bad is a comparative value,
>there is no benchmark for it
>
>With regards
>Dr.H.S.Siddamallaiah
>
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>Subject: [nmlis] Casting away the NET
>
>
>
>Casting away the NET
>
>The NET seems to be on its way out. But academics have their
>
>reservations about this development. It is now official. The
>University Grants Commission (UGC) has declared
>
>that the National Eligibility Test (NET) it conducts f
or identifying
>
>potential teachers in colleges and universities will no longer be an
>
>eligibility criterion for those with an M.Phil. and/or a doctoral
>degree.
>
>On May 16, the Commission chairman announced that the interim report
>of
>
>the Balchand
ra Mungekar Committee, which was set up by the Ministry
>of
>
>Human Resource Development in November 2005 to suggest ways to
>revamp
>
>the NET and to find out whether the NET was needed at all as an
>
>eligibility criterion to teach in institutions of hi
gher learning,
>has been accepted in principle.
>
>Report recommendation
>
>The interim report recommends that those with an M.Phil. may be
>
>exempted from having to clear the NET for teaching in undergraduate
>courses and that those with a Ph.D. need not have a NET for teaching
>postgraduate courses.
>
>This announcement has caused dismay among many academicians in
>Kerala.
>
>Many teachers who spoke to The Hindu-Educationplus said they saw
>this
>
>announcemen
t as the beginning of the end of the NET. While these
>
>academics are firm in their view that the NET as it exists today is
>pretty much useless, they are also equally firm in the belief that a
>
>national-level test of some sort in unavoidable if quality
teachers
>are to be appointed in the nation's universities and colleges.
>
>Dissenting voices
>
>"This is wrong step," says K. Sasikumar, professor, Department of
>
>Commerce, University of Kerala. "It will open the floodgates of
>mediocrity as far as sel
ecting good teachers is concerned. Now, in
>this university anyone with 55 per cent marks for the postgraduate
>examination can sign up for M.Phil. and everyone who registers for
>Ph.D. gets a doctoral degree. There is no such thing as turning down
>a thesis. There is no evaluation by a foreign expert."
>
>"Now, after this announcement, there is going to be a huge rush for
>
>M.Phil. courses," points out R. Mohankumar, general secretary of the
>All Kerala Private College Teachers' Association. He say
s the UGC
>has always been inconsistent in taking a stand, vis-à-vis exemptions
>from the NET.
>
>
>
>"In 1993, 1998, 2000 and in 2002, the UGC's position regarding who
>can
>
>be exempted from the NET kept on shifting. Is there a hidden agenda
>in
>
>this
? There must be. Otherwise why these constant changes? If for
>some
>
>subjects, due to shortage of NET-qualified hands, some exemption
>needs
>
>to be given, fine. But a blanket exemption for all M.Phil. holders
>and
>
>Ph.D. holders? No that cannot be ac
cepted. That is bad news for
>quality
>
>teaching," he says.
>
>Mr. Mohankumar adds that he is with those who argue that this move
>of
>
>the UGC is aimed at regularising the services of hundreds, if not
>
>thousands, of part-time/contract lecturers in colleges across the
>country who have not cleared the NET but have M.Phil. and are
>seeking to get a Ph.D.
>
>Flawed decision
>
>There are also those who feel that the Mungekar committee could have
>
>better e
mployed its time and energy by trying to reform and
>broad-base
>
>the NET. Head of the Department of Law University of Kerala N. K.
>
>Jayakumar is among those who firmly believe that the very concept of
>linking M.Phil. and Ph.D. to the career of a teach
er is flawed.
>
>
>
>"A good teacher need not be a good researcher and a good researcher
>
>need not know how to teach. We see that happening all the time. Sure
>you should have a test to see gauge the teaching skills of a person.
>The method adopted by the National Law School Bangalore is very good
>in this respect. Now, with this announcement by the UGC, there is
>going to be a spurt in the number of M.Phils. being offered by
>colleges. In no time there will also be M.Phil. in the
distance
>education mode. Then all those people are going to try and become
>teachers. What will happen to these people if in the future the NET
>- in another form - becomes
>
>compulsory," Dr. Jayakumar asks.
>
>Broad-basing NET
>
>Former Vice-Chairman o
f the UGC V. N. Rajasekharan Pillai too says
>the
>
>need of the hour is to try and revamp the NET instead of seeking to
>do
>
>away with it. As a teacher he says he is strongly in favour of
>having a
>
>nation-wide eligibility test in some form. " The NET
can be
>broad-based
>
>so as to assess teaching capability and aptitude," he told The
>
>Hindu-Education plus over phone from Kottayam.Right from the time
>the Mungekar Committee was set up, Dr. Pillai had
>
>argued that the best way ahead would be to have a NET that allows
>for
>
>trans-disciplinary eligibility; so that a candidate who clear the
>NET for English can also teach such subjects as communicative
>English,
>
>linguistics or journalism.
>
>Many in t
he academic community say they would not be surprised if
>the
>
>Mungekar Committee in its final report recommends that the NET be
>done
>
>away with. "All these things should be done after a nation-wide
>debate
>
>among academics and by a five-member comm
ittee," points out Mr.
>
>Mohankumar, "such decisions can affect the lives and future of
>thousands of students."
>
>G. MAHADEVAN Source: The Hindu, Education plus , kerala.
>
>
>
>
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